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Old 9 Sep 2010, 08:43 (Ref:2756621)   #1
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Which team, past or present, has brought the most innovation to F1

I'm thinking it must be Lotus - ground effect, monocoque chassis, side mounted radiators, double chassis, carbon fibre (with Mcclaren).


Any other team with similar levels of innovations?
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 08:55 (Ref:2756628)   #2
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Lotus and McLaren are the first that come to mind yeah.

Gordon Murray era Brabham too.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 08:57 (Ref:2756629)   #3
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I'd have to go with Lotus. They even raced a gas turbine a couple of times, and were the first to test a type of semi-auto gearbox.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 12:07 (Ref:2756713)   #4
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Lotus all the way, were they the 1st team to use and win a gp with active suspension? Lotus Honda 99T - Ayrton Senna - Monaco?
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 13:19 (Ref:2756750)   #5
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Seems a pretty straightforward case for Lotus.

A worthy mention for Tyrrell perhaps?

How about BAR for their second fuel tank?
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Tyrrell - the 6 wheeler, the high nose, the "X Wing" additional aerofoils, the completely filled in front wish bones.

Only the high nose can be considered to be succesful & enduring but the other ideas still showed a degree of lateral thinking on a very tiny budget.

Honourable mention for Renault, too, for introducing the turbo back in the 1970s.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 13:56 (Ref:2756769)   #7
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although they did not come up with the idea but the Cooper's rear engine placement was a game changer.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 14:55 (Ref:2756791)   #8
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Maybe the thread title should be which team is the second most innovative in the history of F1 as there doesn't appear to be a lot of debate about Lotus being No 1 in this area.

Much more to debate about Number two but as others have said Tyrell must be right up there.

Mclaren have come up with lots of interesting things but as they mostly seem to get banned they are hardly very influential!
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 16:27 (Ref:2756834)   #9
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Perhaps the question should be "successfully innovative"?

In which case, Lotus, definitely. The early monocoque cars, the 49, the 72, the 78 and 79 and (perhaps) the active suspension cars. Being innovative and making it work is the key. The turbine car didn't, however interesting a departure. The twin-chassis Lotus 88 was another case of "nice idea, never going to work".
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 17:02 (Ref:2756844)   #10
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Lotus by a country mile.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 17:05 (Ref:2756847)   #11
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Actually just reading the comments reminded me of just how sterile F1 is now, other than geeks i doubt most people couldn't identify which F1 car was which if they were all turned out in white.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 17:53 (Ref:2756877)   #12
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Actually just reading the comments reminded me of just how sterile F1 is now, other than geeks i doubt most people couldn't identify which F1 car was which if they were all turned out in white.
That is of course because of what people have now is what works the best. You cant change the laws of physics and the laws of physics is what defines how the cars looks today. Also with todays extremely short development time (and massive budgets), whenever somebody thinks about something new then all the teams will have copied the concept over to their cars in a couple of races.
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I think it's actually because the rules are so tight on what is and what isn't allowed. Gordon Murray, a great innovator in his time, has stated that he would have no interest in designing an F1 car now for this very reason.
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Old 9 Sep 2010, 18:01 (Ref:2756883)   #14
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I think it's actually because the rules are so tight on what is and what isn't allowed. Gordon Murray, a great innovator in his time, has stated that he would have no interest in designing an F1 car now for this very reason.
No matter how open the rules are, there will always be one best design and thats how all the cars would end up looking like
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No matter how open the rules are, there will always be one best design and thats how all the cars would end up looking like
Stringent rules generally block out alternatives, and stifle creativity.
Designers generally don't like that.

Sure, they may find a common design that works best for a little while, but there will always be a chance for something completely different to take the scene by storm.
You don't really have that these days, now it's just enormous amounts of effort and funds put into minute details that get that 1 tenth, maybe 2 tenths of a second.

No longer will you see experiments like a six wheeler, or a turbine engine, or anything at all really.

And that just sucks.
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