Rosberg vs Hamilton

[Knowlesy]

Exactly, and if he had been pitted a lap earlier then he'd have won.

I hope Lewis attacks as normal in Abu Dhabi personally.

[VIVA GT]

I think that Lewis deserves to win the championship this year, in my opinion he has out-driven Nico, so personally, Hamilton as 2014 World Champion is what I would like to see, but only in a fair fight.
What I do not want to see is him losing the Championship due to dirty tactics, and for me, that includes the artificial injustice of double points.
If whoever wins the championship this year does so by unfair means, then for me that will devalue the achievement.

[bella]

i know it's bordering on blasphemy, but the teams and drivers have known about this double points thing all season. if they'd just suddenly decided SURPRISE! double points then the hostility would make more sense.

it IS daft, in the context of our sport and the overall rules (no reverse grids, no funny business like points for pole and fastest lap), and because of that it'd leave a slight bitter taste in the mouth. but we've all known about it all year and as such if a team or driver hasn't covered their arses well enough to make sure it won't have an effect on them that's a seperate issue.

having said that, i believe that the most deserving of the two is hamilton. rosberg is a brilliant driver, but putting someone next to lewis is in a way like comparing them with alonso. they're going to look slow, the only question is by how much. to hamilton's credit, he doesn't seem as horrific a teammate to have as alonso though

[garcon]

I find it amusing that the clamour about double points has risen since we reached the stage where only Rosberg can win by virtue of them.

As for all the praise for Hamilton, let's see him finish the job first. I've been a bit disappointed in Rosberg in the last few races, I think the pressure has got to him. But I also think Hamilton has made unnecessarily hard work of winning the title in possibly the most dominant car we've ever seen. Reminds me of Villeneuve in the Williams - possibly the least deserving WDC in F1 history.

In my view Alonso (and probably Vettel) would have won the title a few races ago.

[Aysedasi]

Hmm, I think we might criticise for earlier season form, but 5 wins and one 2nd in the last 6 races - I don't really think that's a record anyone can criticise......

[VIVA GT]

Regarding the more recent interest/outrage about the double points scenario. Personally, I'm more focussed on the 'harm' (in my humble opinion) this can do to the championship now that we're almost at the end of said championship. When the idea was first mooted, this was a long way away.
(In a similar vein, now I am in my late 50's, I am far more aware of my own mortality than I was as a ten year old...)

[garcon]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Hmm, I think we might criticise for earlier season form, but 5 wins and one 2nd in the last 6 races - I don't really think that's a record anyone can criticise......

True enough. I suppose I could stretch the point by arguing that Rosberg has gone off the boil but that would be a little churlish.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by garcon

I find it amusing that the clamour about double points has risen since we reached the stage where only Rosberg can win by virtue of them.

As for all the praise for Hamilton, let's see him finish the job first. I've been a bit disappointed in Rosberg in the last few races, I think the pressure has got to him. But I also think Hamilton has made unnecessarily hard work of winning the title in possibly the most dominant car we've ever seen. Reminds me of Villeneuve in the Williams - possibly the least deserving WDC in F1 history.

In my view Alonso (and probably Vettel) would have won the title a few races ago.

Oh, you cheeky little rascal, you almost had me there!

[garcon]

I'm going to class that as 'the big one that got away'...

[Knowlesy]

Your only hope is if Kirk comes back and chomps on the Villeneuve line.

[garcon]

Sometimes you have to cast deep.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by garcon

Sometimes you have to cast deep.

The corollary to Hamilton winning the World Drivers title, and thus being the best driver currently racing (he must be, mustn't he?), then of course Rosberg must be the second best driver. And, indeed vice versa!

You can't argue with the facts.





............ well unless you subscribe to the view that having the most points at the end of a season does not automatically make you a true Champion.

Personally I have no opinion on the matter.

What do you think Garco?

[GT6]

I think that the pair of them having a car that is so far ahead of all other teams could make a fair bit of difference

[bauble]

Originally Posted by GT6

I think that the pair of them having a car that is so far ahead of all other teams could make a fair bit of difference

Surely you are not suggesting that neither will be a worthy World Champion?

[garcon]

Originally Posted by bauble

What do you think Garco?

Every WDC deserves the title. I honestly mean that.

However that isn't to say there aren't often a few other drivers on the grid who would have been equally deserving in slightly different circumstances.

And some WDC's are rather more deserved than others.

But that's the way of sport.

You can't blame Mercedes for their absolute domination. And you can't (now) question Hamilton's decision to move when he did. Someone advised him well.

All Hamilton could possibly do this season is beat his teammate. Barring mishaps in the last race, that's what he will have done.

[Knowlesy]

Such bitterness is unbecoming of you garcon.

Don't worry, Rosberg can still win. In fact, it is surely written that he will.

[garcon]

I'm not bitter!

I hope Lewis wins now.

Because I don't think I could cope with all the whining from his fans about how unfair it all is if he doesn't...



Oh, and he deserves it.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Such bitterness is unbecoming of you garcon.

Don't worry, Rosberg can still win. In fact, it is surely written that he will.

Only if he doesn't have a DNF, or Hamilton finishes 3rd or has a DNF.

[codename_47]

I think the win record speaks for itself. I fully believe, and sincerely hope, that the title should and will go to the driver with the most wins.

Nico in some ways has impressed me this season, in others he has disappointed.
There was no need to go so far over the line as he has on occasion this season (Monaco) and Spa, while not deliberate, was clumsy in the extreme.

He also seems to be unable to race without a measure of reserve. We know hamilton, when he is pushing, is giving it one hundred percent, most of the time that is the difference between him and Nico, and yes, occasionally that gets him into trouble with mistakes etc too.
There hasn't been one race where you thought "Oh Wow, Nico, that was brave!" etc, such as Hamilton diving inside at COTA or somehow fending him off on the slower strategy in Bahrain with amazing car placement.

I'll repeat what I said at the start of the season, in a straight fight, Lewis is the better driver. That's not to say Nico is BAD, no, Lewis is just better.
But unreliability means you can't bet on the best driver winning.
And Lewis has had more unreliability than Nico too, so who knows what could happen in a weeks time....

[wnut]

I believe that this championship has been decided by the Mercedes Benz marketing department and that Nico has been "Hamstrung" and told to suck it up!
"We most certainly can discipline Rosberg" Toto Wolff.
Yes you can Toto you have done an extraordinary job, well done!
Since "the contact" Rosberg has positively jumped out of Hamilton's way whenever they have even been vaguely close, COTA is a good example.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

I believe that this championship has been decided by the Mercedes Benz marketing department and that Nico has been "Hamstrung" and told to suck it up!
"We most certainly can discipline Rosberg" Toto Wolff.
Yes you can Toto you have done an extraordinary job, well done!
Since "the contact" Rosberg has positively jumped out of Hamilton's way whenever they have even been vaguely close, COTA is a good example.

"Hamstrung",

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by wnut

I believe that this championship has been decided by the Mercedes Benz marketing department and that Nico has been "Hamstrung" and told to suck it up!
"We most certainly can discipline Rosberg" Toto Wolff.
Yes you can Toto you have done an extraordinary job, well done!
Since "the contact" Rosberg has positively jumped out of Hamilton's way whenever they have even been vaguely close, COTA is a good example.

NONSENSE. Complete NONSENSE!

The fact is, Hamilton has the courage to send moves up the inside of Nico like that because he knows, as the championship leader, if Nico was to enforce any contact, it is still to his advantage because Nico would lose the chance to gain on him.
Nico didn't so much jump out of his way as squeeze him as much as he thought he could get away with (to which Lewis responded in kind and ran him off the road, all's fair in love and world championships )

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by codename_47

NONSENSE. Complete NONSENSE!

The fact is, Hamilton has the courage to send moves up the inside of Nico like that because he knows, as the championship leader, if Nico was to enforce any contact, it is still to his advantage because Nico would lose the chance to gain on him.
Nico didn't so much jump out of his way as squeeze him as much as he thought he could get away with (to which Lewis responded in kind and ran him off the road, all's fair in love and world championships )

There it is.... If anyone is brave enough, then go ahead....

[Tucky]

I know there are a lot of people who think Hamilton deserves the title and would be outraged if Rosberg won because of double points, but is there anyway for Rosberg to win the title without everyone saying "Hamilton should have won"?

Let's say Rosberg wins and Hamilton retires, Rosberg would have won the championship either way. Or (in the highly unlikely event) Hamilton has an appalling race for whatever reason and finishes outside of the points giving Rosberg the championship, would people still say Rosberg is an undeserving champion?

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by Tucky

I know there are a lot of people who think Hamilton deserves the title and would be outraged if Rosberg won because of double points, but is there anyway for Rosberg to win the title without everyone saying "Hamilton should have won"?

Let's say Rosberg wins and Hamilton retires, Rosberg would have won the championship either way. Or (in the highly unlikely event) Hamilton has an appalling race for whatever reason and finishes outside of the points giving Rosberg the championship, would people still say Rosberg is an undeserving champion?

Tough call - I wouldn't say so, no. I've felt that Rosberg has had Champion's Luck this season.

One thing a lot of people are forgetting is that with the points gap as it is, double points are unlikely to play a part.