Channel 7 coverage a.k.a.Shafted/Let's be Honest. - Page 2

Falcadore · 23 Apr 2007, 03:14 (Ref:1898160)

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Originally Posted by Trev Campbell

I though it was disgracful, How would Tander feel if he loses the championship by a couple of points. You could pretty confidently say that Tander would have made a position or 2 if the race had of gone the full distance.

I would have thought Tander would have been used to that feeling after what HRT did to him in 2006. But that's also selling Paul Radisich a little short on his second meeting back in a car hie's not driven much at all. There's nothing to say the Rat couldn't have held him off for a few more laps. The race was always going to be shortened the moment Canto went into the wall. Shortening races for TV has been going on at least since the 1992 Sandown 500, and that was SBS if memory recalls, when Tony Longhurst and Paul Morris came within a single lap of escaping with a shortened win ahead of the faster Larry Perkins who overtook the little Beemer on the last lap.

Trev you play the card you're dealt. Despite what happened at Phillip Island Craig Lowndes (and Tander for that matter) has accepted that he was not the 2006 champion and moved on, as he(they) should have. I'm sure Tander won't spare a moments thought on what ifs and maybe thens, because he's a professional athlete.

Maybe you should to.

Falcadore · 23 Apr 2007, 03:16 (Ref:1898162)

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Originally Posted by Da Moo

The whole issue is that when 7 got the rights we were all told that afl would not take precedence blah blah blah blah.....yes we got to see the end of the race but we also got a clear indication of 7s priority and that v8s are not even close to equal no matter what avesco say or wish to beleive.

AFL didn't take precedence. If it did, Race 3 would not have been shown at all and the Melborne Freo clash would have started at the start of the first quarter rather than three quarters of an hour into the game.

Move on.

Tourer · 23 Apr 2007, 05:51 (Ref:1898207)

The reports that you mention are not correct - the time certain finish for the race was in the regs for the weekend, covered off in the briefings and all teams were fully aware of the situation.

Whether or not the time certain finish is a good thing or not is another question but the teams were all fully aware long before the weekend, let alone race three, started.

bentate · 23 Apr 2007, 06:04 (Ref:1898218)

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Originally Posted by Micklegend

Its pretty arrogant of Tander to assume he was going to make up the position to win the round, isnt it? Of course anyone in front of him should just move aside because GT shouldnt have to fight for a position??????

Play to the whistle GT....its not your championship...........Yet

Five more race laps with GT right on the back of the Rat. I would have had a lazy hundred on Tander getting past.

But it was the same for everyone and Tander wouldn't have been in that position (as with Skaife) if it wasn't for a tardy pitstop earlier. It's a team sport and you have to take the good with the bad (even as a Holden fan), that's the way it goes....

dsg · 23 Apr 2007, 06:19 (Ref:1898233)

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Originally Posted by Falcadore

AFL didn't take precedence. If it did, Race 3 would not have been shown at all and the Melborne Freo clash would have started at the start of the first quarter rather than three quarters of an hour into the game.

Move on.

It did start at 12 (live) (2 EST) as advertised and the V8s were cut short to accommodate. That part is a fact. What we are debating is, if that's ok.

Joe5619 · 23 Apr 2007, 06:29 (Ref:1898240)

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Originally Posted by EfiOz

Shortening a race to fit a TV schedule is pretty ridiculous and hardly shows equality of treatment.

Even though the second quarter TV footage was cut short, the game still wasn't.

why is channel 7 getting blamed for the race being cut short?? the telecast was an hour delayed. They could have raced for another hour & not have effected channel 7. I can only ashume the time cut off had something to do with the sun light?

I knew the result of the race before it even started on TV!!

Falcadore · 23 Apr 2007, 07:44 (Ref:1898266)

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Originally Posted by dsg

It did start at 12 (live) (2 EST) as advertised and the V8s were cut short to accommodate. That part is a fact. What we are debating is, if that's ok.

It is still a 15 year old issue. I think debating it now is a little moot.

Unless you're saying the AFL telecast started early. Did it?

racer69 · 23 Apr 2007, 09:13 (Ref:1898330)

The only alternative was for the race to run the full distance, which would have meant the end of the race would not have been shown on 7 as it would have ended past 3pm (telecast time), would people have preferred this? There would also have likely been more laps under the safety car as they wouldn't have hurried along picking up Canto's car as much.....

The telecast ran for the 3 hours alotted to it, nothing was cut short, if anything VESA should have scheduled the race better to allow for the possibility of long safety car periods/stopages. As mentioned the 3.45pm NZ time cut-off was written in the regulations, it's the teams fault for not picking up on it sooner.

MPA · 23 Apr 2007, 09:43 (Ref:1898343)

Nothing was cut short....The race was X laps or X time, whatever came 1st. Don't blame Channel 7 or the footy if this bunch of drivers keep carving each other up or fitting poor standard tow straps.

F/ford guys are getting the message "If you mess up, you lose laps" Why should the V8 drivers get it any other way.

Armco Bender · 23 Apr 2007, 09:45 (Ref:1898344)

3:45pm was the cut off because the NZV8 final was going off at 4:25pm live on NZ television,one would assume TVNZ was doing the broadcast from the track,and at 6:00pm it gets dark here.

dsg · 23 Apr 2007, 09:57 (Ref:1898358)

So the main event was shortened to show a support event. Got it.

Armco Bender · 23 Apr 2007, 10:09 (Ref:1898364)

There was huge interest here in the support event.Final race in the championship,2 drivers could win it,reverse grid,and these guys drive like its a stock car race.

peckstar · 23 Apr 2007, 10:16 (Ref:1898372)

i dont understand what was wrong with the whole extra lap issue. if we didnt have the extra lap then it would have been even more of a farce.

GT had his chance to pass , he failed and as a result he didnt win. maybe next time he will arrange a better pit stop

Armco Bender · 23 Apr 2007, 10:22 (Ref:1898382)

Bottom line is they should have moved Cantos car quicker.If those tow truck drivers had been towing it out of a private car park they would have shifted it in 2 seconds flat.If they can't move it with a tow truck they should have a Manitou front end loader and scoop it up and drop it over the armco.

Pro Racer · 23 Apr 2007, 10:31 (Ref:1898391)

like F1.

MPA · 23 Apr 2007, 10:41 (Ref:1898400)

Perhap they should have had a Manitou and picked up the car, but they didn't so it's a moot point.

Every recovery is unique. Cars facing they wrong way, too muddy, too many wheels missing, too many broken tow hooks, too much fuel spilt that needs to be contained....the list goes on....I'm sure there's a few kagey folk that were shaking their heads at the time it took to recover the car but the bottom line is, if you dont want a safety car delay, keep your car off the armco.

BFC · 23 Apr 2007, 10:48 (Ref:1898407)

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Originally Posted by PVDA

Perhaps they should look at having a travelling circus of marshals similar to NASCAR/CART/IRL that do all the Medical and clean up at events.

I saw Canto's off and the start of the recovery and walked out of the room and was surprised to see they still hadn't restarted when I returned for what looked to be a simple recovery.

One of the first things I'd do is get proper tow hooks fitted front and rear and ban those stupid tow straps which always break. The tow hooks need to be centre mounted and have to be designed to allow the truck winch to pull the car around at 90 degrees so it can be lined up properly to get it onto the tray.

Before anyone asks, I am qualified to comment on these trackside issues having dragged many a race car (v8's included) onto tilt trays throughout Victoria.

yep both of us

BFC · 23 Apr 2007, 11:03 (Ref:1898423)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Bottom line is they should have moved Cantos car quicker.If those tow truck drivers had been towing it out of a private car park they would have shifted it in 2 seconds flat.If they can't move it with a tow truck they should have a Manitou front end loader and scoop it up and drop it over the armco.

dont blame the towies...some of the cars have just webing tow points that tear off the bolts as soon as they get any sort of strain on them. If that happens u have to open the bonnet to find a suitable anchor point for the tow cable and besides that there is usaually a problem with the spoilers usually solved by having ramps which i sure that they didnt have.There have always been suggestions that if the tow eye breaks wrap the cable round the A pillar that way they might put substantial tow eyes on. Larry perkins had/has the best tow eyes,one on either side that screwed in to hold the front bumper on,lift the loop up and hook on

MPA · 23 Apr 2007, 11:25 (Ref:1898441)

TV can also distort time. When the dude was upside down it seemed to take Brad Jones forever to get out and assist. In real life things don't happen like that. While Canto was being recovered, did they have to fix the armco? Were they also busy doing a fence repair?

O my bad......TV really really distorted reality.......There was a rollover invovling Brad Jones and his car stayed on its wheels.

Marcos WTF · 23 Apr 2007, 11:52 (Ref:1898469)

As observed above, who wants to see the podium. That can wait for the news. I'd rather see more racing, not the bubbly being sprayed. Since I won't watch vfl, I just wonder did Seven cross straight to the kick off, or did the vfl commentators waffle on and massage each others egos, for the length of time that could have been better spent on the racing, then cross to the vfl,and go straight into the game.

Webby

MPA · 23 Apr 2007, 12:04 (Ref:1898488)

Marcos,

The Footy blokes waffled on and massaged each others egos, for the length of time that could have been better spent on the racing in the same way that Cromley and Co waffle on before each race.

Senna05 · 23 Apr 2007, 15:03 (Ref:1898642)

Sooo... bugger us TV types.

What about the poor buggers who pay alot of money to purchase tickets and accomodation and travel expenses to see these races live?

Yeah - great spectacle.

So where do we go? V8 races earlier with supports beng shown IF there is time at the end? Delayed races (10-15 minutes), which would provide some reason to get off our bums and attend live races, allow for editing of "swears" and bypassing of boring safety car processions? Or VERY clear announcement at the track and TV that these races will be X laps or Y minutes?

racer69 · 23 Apr 2007, 16:57 (Ref:1898721)

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Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

Since I won't watch vfl, I just wonder did Seven cross straight to the kick off, or did the vfl commentators waffle on and massage each others egos, for the length of time that could have been better spent on the racing, then cross to the vfl,and go straight into the game.

As mentioned a few times in this thread, 7 went (In Sydney at least) from the V8 podium straight into the AFL game, midway through the second quarter....

Da Moo · 23 Apr 2007, 20:41 (Ref:1898865)

Does anyone know what the television ratings were like for the weekend?? Given it is the first round to face nrl and afl etc, it will be interesting to see how it compares to last year.

mctshirt · 24 Apr 2007, 06:23 (Ref:1899064)

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Originally Posted by Da Moo

Does anyone know what the television ratings were like for the weekend?? Given it is the first round to face nrl and afl etc, it will be interesting to see how it compares to last year.

A quote from an article about next years Hamilton race in the Sunday Star Times here in NZ:

"V8 Supercars Australia chairman Tony Cochrane crowed about the ever-growing success of his series. Since shifting to a different TV network, viewing figures this year were up 47%, he said. "We're one of the big four sports in Australia now," he said.

He recalled that when he tried to sell TV rights in New Zealand 10 years ago he had trouble getting an appointment and eventually sold the rights to TV1 for $30,000 a year.

"It's the same now, with a few more zeroes on the end," he said.

'We are now negotiating the TV rights for next year in New Zealand and all three networks are bidding strongly."

Seems everyone can't get enough of the new coverage of "The Main Event"

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