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Old 8 Jan 2002, 16:50 (Ref:195531)   #1
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should toyota be worried???

day 2 at barcelona and McNISH'S fastest time is a whole 6 seconds slower than the fastest time set by DC.
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 16:56 (Ref:195537)   #2
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thats something to be worried about - McNish should be replaced by Badoer
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 17:07 (Ref:195545)   #3
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you lads are determined to get badoer into a race seat somewhere aren't you!!
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 17:08 (Ref:195546)   #4
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ITS THE DAMN WEATHER!!!!!


1 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes M 1m20.816s
2 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW M 1m21.273s
3 Pedro de la Rosa Jaguar M 1m23.123s
4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda B 1m24.444s
5 Allan McNish Toyota* M 1m26.108s
6 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes M 1m28.553s
7 Luca Badoer Ferrari B 1m29.131s
8 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW M 1m29.196s
9 Luciano Burti Ferrari B 1m29.624s
10 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-Petronas B 1m29.695s
11 Marc Gene Williams-BMW M 1m29.729s
12 Jarno Trulli Renault M 1m30.010s
13 Olivier Panis BAR-Honda* B 1m30.036s
14 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas B 1m31.316s
15 Jenson Button Renault M 1m32.005s
16 Eddie Irvine Jaguar M 1m32.904s
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 17:08 (Ref:195548)   #5
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But Toyota aren't testing at Barcelona. Aren't they at Paul Ricard???
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 18:34 (Ref:195590)   #6
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But Toyota aren't testing at Barcelona. Aren't they at Paul Ricard???
Allan McNish is at Barcelona

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thats something to be worried about - McNish should be replaced by Badoer
Badoer - Ferrari B 1m29.131s ?!?!?!

Testing times mean nothing for regular Fans like us... (only for team engineers mean something), we don't know how does new setups work, how many changes they make lap by lap, tyre compounds used, etc... I remember last year, Jag and BAR were flying when testing...
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 18:52 (Ref:195606)   #7
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Planetf1 was saying their engine was pretty damn good...
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 18:56 (Ref:195610)   #8
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Testing means nothing - it's what happens on the race day - look at last year Jaguar on some occasitions came top on some of the test days - but failed in the race.
Lets just wait an see until the lights go out on the first race. Then we will RIP THEM TO BITS!
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 19:02 (Ref:195622)   #9
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EERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
TOYOTA are not Forti, nor are they even Lola. They will get it right. Their success at every level they have raced is impressive. They have assembled a good set of players. They have avoided hubris up to now and they have two very competent drivers. It may take awhile, but they will get there. The money is there and the talent is in place.

On the basis of today's times, DC set his time in the dry, and then the rains came. McNish may have been taking it easy to bed the car in. Be patient.
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 19:03 (Ref:195625)   #10
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TOYOTA are not Forti, nor are they even Lola. They will get it right. Their success at every level they have raced is impressive. They have assembled a good set of players. They have avoided hubris up to now and they have two very competent drivers. It may take awhile, but they will get there. The money is there and the talent is in place.

On the basis of today's times, DC set his time in the dry, and then the rains came. McNish may have been taking it easy to bed the car in. Be patient.
With all that money Backing they will do well.
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 20:58 (Ref:195748)   #11
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thats something to be worried about - McNish should be replaced by Badoer
i dont think so...McNish deserves that seat big time . too ealry to tell alot from testing yet....
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 21:12 (Ref:195751)   #12
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The times aren't really comparable when there's rain to take into account, and with testing it's impossible for us to say what kind of setup anyone is using on their car. It's way too early to make a judgement on McNish or Toyota.
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Old 8 Jan 2002, 23:36 (Ref:195811)   #13
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In few words..... Worry about what? It's like being threatened by Trulli's saturdays or Irvine's Fridays.
It's just the second day and for F1 fans this data is very useless, only the team can manage real data about each single piece they were testing and until we know what were they testing then we can arrive to real and understandable facts which can build ideas and bring us conclusions.

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Old 9 Jan 2002, 10:11 (Ref:195914)   #14
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You guys amaze me at times...Yes, McNish was 6 seconds off the pace set by Coulthard, but he still set the 5th quickest time of the day according to the time sheets you posted.

I don't understand the worries if the rest of the field were also way off, you don't mention Irvine being 16th anywhere!
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Old 9 Jan 2002, 10:27 (Ref:195920)   #15
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ITS THE DAMN WEATHER!!!!!


1 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes M 1m20.816s
2 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW M 1m21.273s
3 Pedro de la Rosa Jaguar M 1m23.123s
4 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda B 1m24.444s
5 Allan McNish Toyota* M 1m26.108s
6 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes M 1m28.553s
7 Luca Badoer Ferrari B 1m29.131s
8 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW M 1m29.196s
9 Luciano Burti Ferrari B 1m29.624s
10 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-Petronas B 1m29.695s
11 Marc Gene Williams-BMW M 1m29.729s
12 Jarno Trulli Renault M 1m30.010s
13 Olivier Panis BAR-Honda* B 1m30.036s
14 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas B 1m31.316s
15 Jenson Button Renault M 1m32.005s
16 Eddie Irvine Jaguar M 1m32.904s
I was worried by the original post until I saw these times. I note that McNish is 2 secs faster than Kimi's Mac, 3 seconds fster than badoer's Ferrari and JPM's Williams, and a whopping 6 seconds faster than Eddie's jaguar. I think McNish is in good company, and Toyota have excelled so far at Barcelona.
To add to EERO's post, I think that Toyota have a very capable management team. In fact, I don't remember any other team entering F1 with such a methodical pre-race program.
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