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Old 27 Nov 2017, 15:57 (Ref:3783517)   #31
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Old 27 Nov 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3783518)   #32
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According to Ferrarichat, Ferrari sells all the space to Philip Morris and they´re reselling it Santander, Shell, etc...

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You could almost say that Marlboro owns a F1 team just like Benetton did in the past, or Red Bull does now.

The fact that Arrivabene was put in charge is a clear indication of that.

When Benetton bought Toleman, they put a marketing man in charge: Flavia Briatore.
When Philip Morris took charge of the Scuderia, they threw away the existing Ferrari management and put one of their marketing executives at the head.
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Old 27 Nov 2017, 16:58 (Ref:3783529)   #33
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I suppose that Philip Morris benefit from the 'association' with Ferrari? I think that they also take a lot of corporate guests to the Grand Prix thereby enforcing the association.
How Ferrari gets away with it however is a completely different thing altogether!
certainly they are working the B2B angle with corporate guests etc (plus for all the other brands controlled by the Altria Group) and are no doubt still doing a lot of direct advertising in non western and emerging markets...where they are still making a killing (literally).

i suspect they get away with it because of the above mentioned loophole plus they still have deep pockets and are willing to pay their lawyers to fight any and every injunction that comes their way.

and i wonder how much any EU (or any western gov't) watch group is willing or even capable of spending to fight against this last holdout?
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:17 (Ref:3786297)   #34
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Ferrari eyes 'healthy cigarette' sponsor IQOS for 2018

Ferrari could be about to announce a 'new' major sponsor for 2018. Recently, the Spanish bank Santander announced that it is leaving Ferrari and F1. The Spanish newspaper ABC now reports that the signage on the rear wing could be replaced for 2018 with a brand called IQOS.

According to 'invisible' Ferrari sponsor Philip Morris, Iqos is a high-tech technology device that heats rather than burns tobacco, releasing a 'nicotine-containing vapour' for the user. "Ferrari is finalising the agreement with Iqos about replacing the agreement with Santander," ABC claimed.

It is not clear if Iqos would contravene F1's strict ban on tobacco advertising. (GMM)

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2...utm_medium=rss
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:27 (Ref:3786300)   #35
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We already see E cig and vape sponsorship in other motorsport (Indycar, NASCAR and BTCC) so why not F1?
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:43 (Ref:3786305)   #36
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We already see E cig and vape sponsorship in other motorsport (Indycar, NASCAR and BTCC) so why not F1?

Because IQOS is not an E-cig per se; it is heated tobacco that releases nicotine and other harmful chemicals. The tobacco companies, including Philip Morris who manufacture IQOS, have been unable to provide evidence that these products are less harmful than normal tobacco products.
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It is not clear if Iqos would contravene F1's strict ban on tobacco advertising. (GMM)
question...is it F1/FOM/FIA that have banned cig advertising or is it just an EU rule that F1 (for the most part) abides by?

i was always under the impression that this was an EU law (similar to most other western countries/regions) governing how cig companies are allowed to publicly advertise their products.

i suspect if its just an EU law, then the F1 teams will allow the courts to decide if e-cigs or similar are allowed and while that process works itself out they will gladly take the money in the short term.

more off topic...but with the wacky tabacky becoming decriminalized if not moving towards fully legal in several host countries, i wonder if we will soon be seeing that product/industry move into racing sponsorship?

anyways more on topic, im surprised no other F1 team (or other sports teams for that matter) have adopted a similar partnership as Ferrari have with PM.
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 19:06 (Ref:3786348)   #38
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It's a moot point whether the FIA has or hasn't banned tobacco advertising as virtually every country has made tobacco advertising illegal, including showing racing cars with tobacco related logos. Mr E tried to circumvent the implementation of the ban in the UK by giving a £1 million bribe to the Labour Party in the UK when they came into power in 1997, but they were found out and were forced to return the money.

Advertising for E-cigs and vaping products are not currently banned in most countries, but adverts for products like IQOS are banned in a number of countries because they are manufactured using tobacco.
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If it's Altria the sponsor in fact (Philip Morris being part of it) wonder why not they could use Milka (chocolate brand) to advert in the cars instead...
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Here we go again. Ferrari and the alternative F1 championship threat....

Sergio Marchionne: “I think that Ferrari has the strength to drag others as well to an alternative championship”

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mo...-idUKKBN1EC2N2
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Marchionne says he is going to take away all his toys from F1.
He seems to forget that those that last used all Ferrari's toys to dominate F1 now run F1 so they know a thing or two about dealing with the Italian team.
Also I thought Ferrari still have a veto.

Could they be of thinking linking up with Bernie to start a new series?
He used to always get Ferrari onside to control F1.
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Marchionne says he is going to take away all his toys from F1.
He seems to forget that those that last used all Ferrari's toys to dominate F1 now run F1 so they know a thing or two about dealing with the Italian team.
Also I thought Ferrari still have a veto.

Could they be of thinking linking up with Bernie to start a new series?
He used to always get Ferrari onside to control F1.
Ferrari seem to be forgetting the FIA's response to their alternative series.

When Bernie last threatened a break away series; 1981?; the FIA said it would ban everyone who competed in the series from competing in any FIA sanctioned event, be they a competitor, entrant, official or venue.

No small threat, and very difficult to live with as a manufacturer competing in more than one series!

Besides, who but is going to want to participate in Ferrari's idea of a category, everybody in racing knows how self interested Ferrari are?

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I think both sides need to tread carefully here
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 13:24 (Ref:3788072)   #44
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Ferrari wont quit. They are just using it as a political means of putting pressure on FOM to get what they want.
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Ferrari will just build an Ind...wait.

Ferrari will just put some stickers on an IndyCar!
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