ALMS Round 6: Road America - Page 4

Matt · 9 Aug 2013, 19:37 (Ref:3287731)

**joeb** · 9 Aug 2013, 19:57 (Ref:3287738)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Nice! Not sure I want to be on track in the deltawing against a DP.

Nick Woodbury · 9 Aug 2013, 19:59 (Ref:3287739)

Woah, now that is quite a sight!

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:12 (Ref:3287745)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Nice! Not sure I want to be on track in the deltawing against a DP.

Really?

I would think the Deltawing drivers would be more gun shy around LMP (WEC Toyota) cars, given recent history.

Andy Flinn

TF110 · 9 Aug 2013, 20:17 (Ref:3287747)

It was LeMans, actually. They raced there one time, its first time and it was painted black and placed right in the battle for the lead of the biggest race. I think Nakajima was paying attention to his battle with Audi and didnt even see it. Thats the ONLY incident with an lmp car.

Nick Woodbury · 9 Aug 2013, 20:18 (Ref:3287748)

Very cool video of the Grand-Am/ALMS photoshoot rollout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=konr-hM7O3c

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:26 (Ref:3287751)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Respectfully disagree. I see stock Camaro graphics more prominently, and for some reason, the Stevenson car shaped like a Camaro looks poorly proportioned when I think of the road going Camaro. Maybe because the headlight stickers look awkward, and the wheels do not fill the fenders.

I voted with my money to not watch cars like that, and will continue to do so.

The Camaro proportions aren't any worse (or better) than those of the LMGT Corvette - probably because they were both built by the same company (Pratt & Miller).

Why do GT cars need headlights for a 3-hour race? It's an unneccessary expense. Most racing series(F1, IndyCar, NASCAR) and SCCA racers manage just fine without them.

Andy Flinn

Matt · 9 Aug 2013, 20:29 (Ref:3287753)

The Camaro is way narrow and pointed in the nose. That and the grille and headlights are massive.

TF110 · 9 Aug 2013, 20:36 (Ref:3287757)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

The Camaro proportions aren't any worse (or better) than those of the LMGT Corvette - probably because they were both built by the same company (Pratt & Miller).

Why do GT cars need headlights for a 3-hour race? It's an unneccessary expense. Most racing series(F1, IndyCar, NASCAR) and SCCA racers manage just fine without them.

Andy Flinn

What happens if the weather makes a sudden change and its dark because of a thunderstorm? Or fog? The road cars have lights as well.

BullMan · 9 Aug 2013, 20:37 (Ref:3287758)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

The Camaro proportions aren't any worse (or better) than those of the LMGT Corvette - probably because they were both built by the same company (Pratt & Miller).

Why do GT cars need headlights for a 3-hour race? It's an unneccessary expense. Most racing series(F1, IndyCar, NASCAR) and SCCA racers manage just fine without them.

Andy Flinn

Now you're grasping at straws. Indy and F1 cars are open wheel cars. Of course they don't have headlights. Also, trying to use NASCAR as an example for anything good is rather dubious.

Sportscars have actual headlights because they are actual cars, not a bunch of tubes people bought at Home Depot. I don't think lights, something on every road-going car in the civilized world, are unnecessary.

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:38 (Ref:3287760)

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Originally Posted by Nick Woodbury

Very cool video of the Grand-Am/ALMS photoshoot rollout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=konr-hM7O3c

Very cool indeed.

Andy Flinn

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:43 (Ref:3287762)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Now you're grasping at straws. Indy and F1 cars are open wheel cars. Of course they don't have headlights. Also, trying to use NASCAR as an example for anything good is rather dubious.

Sportscars have actual headlights because they are actual cars, not a bunch of tubes people bought at Home Depot. I don't think lights, something on every road-going car in the civilized world, are unnecessary.

Still didn't address my question.

Why do GT cars need headlights for sprint races? Obviously, Stevenson concluded that they are not necessary.

Andy Flinn

BullMan · 9 Aug 2013, 20:45 (Ref:3287763)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

Still didn't address my question.

Why do GT cars need headlights for sprint races. Obviously, Stevenson concluded that they are not necessary.

Andy Flinn

Because this isn't oval racing. The weather changes. If it start's raining (or gets dark!) I would want headlights as a driver so others can see me. Do you drive without your headlights on in the rain?

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:50 (Ref:3287765)

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Originally Posted by TF110

What happens if the weather makes a sudden change and its dark because of a thunderstorm? Or fog? The road cars have lights as well.

What do they do in F1?

If the weather (heavy rains or fog) is bad enough they run under yellow or red-flag the race - even at the Rolex 24 where the cars have headlights.

Again, why do GT cars need headlights for a sprint race?

Andy Flinn

BullMan · 9 Aug 2013, 20:53 (Ref:3287767)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

What do they do in F1?

If the weather (fog) is bad enough they run under yellow or red-flag the race - even at the Rolex 24 where the cars have headlights.

Again, why do GT cars need headlights for a sprint race?

Andy Flinn

Because they are actual cars, not a collection of tubes people bought at Home Depot. Your real car doesn't have stickers for headlights if you just drive to the market, does it?

TF110 · 9 Aug 2013, 20:55 (Ref:3287768)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

What do they do in F1?

If the weather (fog) is bad enough they run under yellow or red-flag the race - even at the Rolex 24 where the cars have headlights.

Again, why do GT cars need headlights for a sprint race?

Andy Flinn

F1 is not sportscar racing. Why are you comparing sportscar to open wheel racers? Sportscars have windshields or windscreens and the driver is inside the car so vision out is nowhere near as good in those conditions.

Matt · 9 Aug 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3287770)

I'm perfectly fine with home depot built cars.

ACFlinn · 9 Aug 2013, 20:58 (Ref:3287771)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Because this isn't oval racing. The weather changes. If it start's raining (or gets dark!) I would want headlights as a driver so others can see me. Do you drive without your headlights on in the rain?

That's fine. You can have your headlights.

There is no Grand-Am regulation that I am aware of that bans headlights on GT cars for sprint races.

Andy Flinn

BullMan · 9 Aug 2013, 21:00 (Ref:3287773)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

That's fine. You can have your headlights.

There is no Grand-Am regulation that I am aware of that bans headlights on GT cars for sprint races.

Andy Flinn

Next year there will be. Car will be going to ACO-route on that one. No more NASCAR stickers.

Danske · 9 Aug 2013, 21:03 (Ref:3287775)

Funny, I was going to look for shots of the Holbert 962 when they didn't have headlights, and that's the only pictures I find.

Right, unambiguously a race:

TF110 · 9 Aug 2013, 21:17 (Ref:3287777)

Practice 2 just restarted from a RED.

Matt · 9 Aug 2013, 21:22 (Ref:3287779)

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Originally Posted by Danske

Funny, I was going to look for shots of the Holbert 962 when they didn't have headlights, and that's the only pictures I find.

Right, unambiguously a race:

Riverside was the best track ever, in my opinion.

TF110 · 9 Aug 2013, 21:50 (Ref:3287787)

Vette and Viper under the 2:05 mark. Every PC but Colin Braun in the 2:00 range while hes in the 1:58's.

Ken_T · 9 Aug 2013, 22:13 (Ref:3287793)

Marino Franchitti just tweeted this for what its worth.

"All the GA conti rubber on the track is good for the PC class and bad for the rest of us! #nogrip"

Matt · 9 Aug 2013, 23:02 (Ref:3287801)

Someone should tell him to stop complaining so much.

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