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Old 14 Aug 2008, 19:23 (Ref:2269218)   #1
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[BTCC] Round 8 - Knockhill, 17th August 2008

The BTCC heads up to Scotland for Round 8.

No announced driver changes so far for this event - I think it's time to rule out the Xero's etc. for this season.
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Old 14 Aug 2008, 19:40 (Ref:2269232)   #2
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Should be a good weekend, I am all packed and ready to roll once my other half has finished work (it's her very 1st motor race). The weather forcast doesn't look good.
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Old 14 Aug 2008, 19:47 (Ref:2269237)   #3
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Should be a good weekend, I am all packed and ready to roll once my other half has finished work (it's her very 1st motor race). The weather forcast doesn't look good.
Make sure to bring the wellies...the spectator area were a mess after the BSB last weekend, and hasn't really stopped raining for long since.
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 17:57 (Ref:2269745)   #5
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Knockhill Spotter Guide on line at SEATCupra.net

The guide has been updated and the old cars pulled out. Its currently on SEATCupra.net, HERE but hasn't been uploaded to SpotterGuides.com yet, so feel free to take it from SCN.

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Old 16 Aug 2008, 15:52 (Ref:2270135)   #6
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SEAT max out the top again. Now to see if they've sorted out their reliability.

1 - Darren Turner - SEAT Sport UK - SEAT Leon TDI - 53.163


2 - Jason Plato - SEAT Sport UK - SEAT Leon TDI - 53.176


3 - Tom Chilton - Team Halfords - Honda Civic Type-S - 53.281


4 - Tom Onslow-Cole - VX Racing - Vauxhall Vectra - 53.441


5 - Matt Neal - VX Racing - Vauxhall Vectra - 53.474


6 - Colin Turkington - Team RAC - BMW 320si E90 - 53.475


7 - Fabrizio Giovanardi - VX Racing - Vauxhall Vectra - 53.477


8 - Mat Jackson - BMW Dealer Team UK - BMW 320si E90 - 53.481


9 - Andrew Jordan - John Guest Racing - Honda Integra Type-R - 53.657


10 - Gordon Shedden - Team Halfords - Honda Civic Type-S - 53.698


11 - Adam Jones - Team Air Cool / GR Asia - SEAT Leon - 53.707


12 - Harry Vaulkhard - Robertshaw Racing - Chevrolet Lacetti - 53.848


13 - Steven Kane - Motorbase Performance - BMW 320si E90 - 53.950


14 - Stephen Jelley - Team RAC - BMW 320si E90 - 53.970


15 - Rob Collard - Motorbase Performance - BMW 320si E90 - 53.993


16 - Mike Jordan - John Guest Racing - Honda Integra Type-R - 54.024


17 - Jason Hughes - Team KWR - MG-ZS / Honda Integra - 54.188


18 - John George - TH Motorsport - Honda Integra Type-R - 54.406


19 - Michael Doyle - In-Tune Racing - Honda Civic Type-R - 55.065


20 - Chris Stockton - BTC Racing - SEAT Toledo - 55.229


21 - Martyn Bell - Arkas Racing - Vauxhall Astra Sport Hatch - 55.236


22 - Alan Taylor - Robertshaw Racing - Honda Integra Type-R - 55.304


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Got to say a big well done to the Knockhill staff...I was amazed how much they had managed to dry the place out.
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Old 16 Aug 2008, 21:35 (Ref:2270267)   #8
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SEAT max out the top again. Now to see if they've sorted out their reliability.

One can but hope.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 11:14 (Ref:2270448)   #9
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that they haven't...



Go Gio! LOL
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 15:43 (Ref:2270549)   #10
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Two from two

Last race...
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 16:30 (Ref:2270571)   #11
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What a frantic final race. The incident between OC and Plato was a bit iffy, but since Tom didn't score any points there's not much that can be done to really penalise him. A few other guys were out of order as well - drivers were constantly being squeezed on the main straight, which could so easy have caused a big crash.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 16:31 (Ref:2270574)   #12
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Turk squeezing Gio down the main straight was a bit out of line - although as Plato was already out by that point I'm not sure why Gio didn't just ease off and not risk an accident.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 18:49 (Ref:2270609)   #13
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What a frantic final race. The incident between OC and Plato was a bit iffy, but since Tom didn't score any points there's not much that can be done to really penalise him. A few other guys were out of order as well - drivers were constantly being squeezed on the main straight, which could so easy have caused a big crash.
Well, a 5 place penalty like Chilton had last time's a reasonable penalty. It seems suspect, but doubt they can make a call on whether it was deliberate really.

Three wins for SEAT, but still the championship has sled more out of reach that round, only clawing 4 points from Gio.
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C'mon stedevil - we await your verdict!

Typical Knockhill race three. That's all I can say.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 20:41 (Ref:2270659)   #15
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For everyone/anyone who couldn't make it on the link you'll find 64 photos from the weekend that will be added to during the week. Cheers & enjoy
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Old 19 Aug 2008, 08:43 (Ref:2271400)   #16
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Plato comments"The third race for me was disappointing but great for Darren. I was stuck behind Tom Onslow-Cole once the race got going and he was driving massively defensively, which I don't have an issue with at all as we all do what we are told to do as paid drivers".

Unfortunatley this statment is untrue as Onslow Cole pays VX for his drive not the other way around.


Plato "I have an issue with this kind of **** that goes on. You only have to see the damage to see that it wasn't a rub; it was a big impact to bend the shell and break the beam."

Bending the shell is a bit strong, I assume he is referring more to a bent side panel. the problem is Jason has dished out plenty of moves like this in his career but quick to critise those who give it back, I thought the Incident was more of Onslow Cole's fault but the cameras did not show a great view.

Racing was good but the camera work for the weekend pretty poor as it seemed to miss many incidents over the weekend.

The third race I thought was missread with Darren Turner who in my view was deliberatly slowing to back the pack up to allow Plato a chance to come through and not a technical problem or Collard being faster, good tatics which may have worked.

The championship is over now really so we can start speculating on next year!

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Do you need a better camera angle to tell that the front side of OC's car touched the back side of Plato's car? OC was fighting a lost battle, the SEAT would disappear on the straight given its better exit out of the hairpin and of course its torque advantage.
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the problem is Jason has dished out plenty of moves like this in his career but quick to critise those who give it back,
That is exactly why I'm not a big fan of his, no denying he's a good driver, but it always seems he's the first to complain when someone gets a bit rough, usually 5 seconds after he has just done the same to someone else.

I think that's why I enjoyed it when Yvan Muller used to race against him, he seemed to give as good as he got.
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I think Plato's biggest problem is his criticism of others for doing exactly what he has done himself many times.
He even admitted that he was 'unsporting' in the way he overtook TOC, so shouldn't he expect the same back?

I haven't yet heard of Gio complaining that others have pushed him off (a la Turkington on the straight), and most other BTCC drivers usually brush off incidents as being the BTCC way.

I'm not saying that the BTCC style of driving is right and just, I only feel that all drivers know the methods used before sitting on the grid and so can't complain when they are on the recieving end.
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I thought the Incident was more of Onslow Cole's fault but the cameras did not show a great view.
Difficult to tell from the TV coverage but try this alternative view found on YouTube - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DONurHh5kCs

OC definitely pulled across into Plato but wind back a bit and look at how Plato came into the hairpin. He was all over the kerbs and into the side of the Vauxhall, actually looks like he had all four wheels airborne at one point.

If you are going to use such a forceful driving style don't start crying when someone does it back to you.
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Completely agreed on redshoes.
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Agreed. From that clip, it appears that Plato used TOC's car to stop after outbraking himself in the corner. Must be what he means by "I made a forceful, aggressive touring car move on Tom"!!

No complaints can then be made about TOC for moving into a space that should still rightfully be his. He replied with a less forceful and aggresive move.
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Difficult to tell from the TV coverage but try this alternative view found on YouTube - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DONurHh5kCs

OC definitely pulled across into Plato but wind back a bit and look at how Plato came into the hairpin. He was all over the kerbs and into the side of the Vauxhall, actually looks like he had all four wheels airborne at one point.

If you are going to use such a forceful driving style don't start crying when someone does it back to you.

Good clip and assessment.
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Difficult to tell from the TV coverage but try this alternative view found on YouTube - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DONurHh5kCs

OC definitely pulled across into Plato but wind back a bit and look at how Plato came into the hairpin. He was all over the kerbs and into the side of the Vauxhall, actually looks like he had all four wheels airborne at one point.

If you are going to use such a forceful driving style don't start crying when someone does it back to you.
Good stuff right here. I'm not a massive acolyte of BTCC but I've been watching casually for 10 years or so and the thing I've always noticed about Plato is just that - it's not that he's more aggressive than others by miles on the track, but he's definitely more aggressive with his whinging. Don't throw rocks from glass houses...
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Whatever about Plato's pass, he didn't take anyone off. TOC took Plato off.

That bank the Plato hit seems a bit dangerous, the way it sticks out. Hardly take much to to eliminate that.
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