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That's the second time I've seen that posted in this thread recently. Odd thing is I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned before? He's always been quick in whatever he's driven (he went off and did some TCR rounds and monstered those for example).
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Sutton and Turkington are great examples of totally different approaches. Ash is always giving 110% even if he is comfortably in the top 3 that could earn him good points but he'll always give everything to try and grab the win - even if it means crashing out.
Colin is more cautious, when he's second he'll try to catch the first but not at all costs and when he sees the chances are not great he settles for big points day. I like Sutton's style, he's exciting to watch but I hope if he's got real chances for the title, he'll be thinking of banking points too. Brands could be a test for Infiniti. I hope it's not another inconsistent car just like Subaru that needs 150% approach to do reasonable results. |
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There’s no doubting his overtaking prowess, did you see the moves he made at Donny? He at one point did a brilliant three abreast overtake
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Fastest lap in all 3 races.
Fastest speed through the I1 trap (mid-Craner) in all 3 races. Fastest speed through both other traps of Swindon-powered cars in races 2&3. Fastest Swindon car on the main straight in Qualifying. How much faster did he make it out to be? |
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Outstanding talent. I do like to see a car being driven like that. Muller-esque!
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Oh, I absolutely agree - but I have definitely seen (on more than one forum) people who have tried to minimise Sutton's talent, suggesting the car was a big part of his success, conveniently forgetting how fast he was in all the other cars he's driven. Sadly, some of the more partisan fans out there enjoy throwing spurious criticism at other drivers. Some of the nonsense you see is more like what you would expect to see on a football forum, sometimes. |
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Many years ago John George surprised everyone when he miraculously had fastest lap at Snetterton, until they realised he had completely missed the chicane coming out of Coram. Being fastest through Craner doesn't mean he is quickest coming out of a bend. That is what came back and bit him on the arse after overtaking Turkington. He was fast going into the bend, but slower coming out, he caused the cars behind him to bunch, causing Ingram to run into Turkington, pushing him onto Sutton and he spun out. At some point the laws of physics take over. Last edited by RS67; 4 Aug 2020 at 19:34. |
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There were other drivers out there in cars also getting long in the tooth and they finished far higher, one of them finished 3rd in the championship with 5 wins that year. Sutton was 13th. |
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Just because it was a reverse grid doesn’t mean it was handed to him. In fact, he passed plenty of cars on his way to win, so your argument is invalid. And what about his front row in Donny in wet conditions? Did you forget that? Let’s not forget it was his first season too and with a car hadn’t much development since 2014 compared to say the Focus. So there were bound to be a few weekends when he looked less than stellar. Now look at him now, he’s now on it every weekend. Give him credit where it’s due, he’s one of the top touring car drivers and an exciting one to boot |
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He had qualified near the front several times yet only got 2 podiums out of the whole season so yes he did have a lacklustre season, first or not. So perfectly worth pointing out. |
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He had completed his overtake of Turkington, and was alongside Cammish going into the next corner. Having rubbed paint with Cammish, he was mid-corner when the first contact came from behind unsettling the car. It was Cammish's pace coming out of the corner that caused the bunching. If you are on the bumper of the car ahead (which you can see from the second screengrab), then your momentum is dictated by the car in front. What is the argument you are trying to put forward: Sutton is not a great driver? The Q50 is not a good car? |
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Sutton wasn't allowed by Cammish, Sutton was slowed by trying to get the car straightened up again When Sutton won the championship he was undeniably fast and clean. Following years saw lacklustre performance from the car and Sutton was wringing its neck to make it work, as a result his clean driving started to suffer, last year at Snetterton, I observed the team having to make repairs to his front bumper after races 1 and 2, not just superficial rub marks. So at the moment, no I don't think the Infiniti is truly that quick, he is wringing it's neck like he had been the Subaru. As I said before other drivers were giving him a bit more room to ensure they would have a car ready for this weekend. When there is a 2 week break they may not be so forthcoming. |
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Mid-corner, Sutton has a slight gap to Cammish, and has Turkington partially alongside. Moments later, Sutton is closer to Cammish, and Turkington has made contact with Sutton's rear quarter (before Ingram is involved). It is at this point Sutton's momentum was lost, having been slowed by a combination of Cammish ahead and Turkington alongside. It was due to the influence of other cars, not Sutton's corner attitude. |
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Cammish is already pulling away, he isn't holding Sutton up, Sutton is trying to move right to stop Turkington getting up inside him, that results in a rub. Sutton was on the point of oversteer by then, the bunching and nudge from Ingram into Turkington finished off for him. If Cammish was the cause of the bunching, Sutton would have gone into him too.
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It was massive bunching. There is little anyone can learn about the drivers or the accident other than 6 cars in such close proximity is usually going to end up with someone off the track.
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I understand the point RS67 is trying to get across, in my simple terms:
The car is not super duper, it is no pure breed race horse like the WSR 3 series. The jockey (Ash) is "doing" a Frankie Dettori - getting the absolute maximum from the ride under him (and yes, FD more often than not is on a fantastic horse. But even when I would not expect him to beat others he does - or failing that challenges very hard). Either way both AS and FD make for great viewing. I see Sutton in championship contention at the last meet of the year. I don't gamble, if I did my money would still be on Colin because of his more measured thoughtful approach. An Irish Alain Prost, but without the sulkiness, bent nose and resorting to skulduggery to undermine his teammates. |
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