Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Racing Talk > Racers Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 28 May 2013, 19:37 (Ref:3254675)   #1
FastDB2s
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
England
Solihull, West Mids
Posts: 519
FastDB2s should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Wearing an open face helmet in an open racecar

Quote:
Originally Posted by midgetman View Post
Although TBQH I dont think you should wear an O/F in an open car but thats a discussion for another thread.
Why don't you think its a good idea to use an open face helmet in an open 2 seat racecar.

Last edited by FastDB2s; 28 May 2013 at 19:58. Reason: spelling
FastDB2s is offline  
Quote
Old 28 May 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3254746)   #2
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
I'm not a fan - through first hand experience and testimony

1. there are other people here who have had close encounters of the debris kind, be it rubber or stones, hitting them on the visor or the chin bar of a full face helmet. This was in normal racing and quite separate from an accident of any kind. For myself, I was out cycling recently and I hit a bee which stung me. I was doing about 40nph and it blooming' hurt, imagine if I had been doing 80mph?

2. My own experience a few years back when someone went into a gravel trap in front of me, threw up atones and broke the windscreen. Now I know I was in a closed car, but the impact point was in line with my chin which was quite sobering. It was a ruddy great stone and would really have hurt, it was a big impact. If it had hit the visor, that's bad enough but that is several inches away from my eye. I'm not sure how I'd react to it hitting a goggle that is basically ON my eye

3. There are many films on YouTube of how the driver's head moves forwards in a crash as the belts stretch and neck extends. It is not unknown for a driver's face to hit the steering wheel. The best video is one promoting the HANS device, which from that POV makes a great deal of sense

4. I don't really like open faced helmets in a closed car either. In an accident there can be an awful amount of debris flying around which could cut or damage your face. This was first bought to my attention many years ago by "Doc" Enderby (remember him?) who crashed his Karmann Ghia special saloon and his subsequent article about motor sport safety had a formative effect on me

Disclaimer
These are my personal views and prejudices, and not those of racewear.co.uk. Open faced helmets are perfectly legal and can be used in MSA and international racing at our level, it's just that I wouldn't.

Does that help?

Max
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 28 May 2013, 22:34 (Ref:3254760)   #3
GORDON STREETER
Veteran
 
GORDON STREETER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Spain
Kent+Mojacar Spain, but not always ?
Posts: 9,391
GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!
I too had a bumblebee hit me in the face whist riding my motorbike at 90mph with an open face helmet many moons ago that caused a massive bruise.
I also had a pheasant go through my windscreen of my road car ( old shatter type) that broke the rear view mirror off and hit me in the face, so anything can happen.
Look what happened to Massa when he got hit by a spring not so long ago and no doubt he was wearing the best full face at the time !
GORDON STREETER is offline  
__________________
Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa !
Quote
Old 28 May 2013, 23:51 (Ref:3254775)   #4
Woolley
Race Official
Veteran
 
Woolley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
England
Wolverhampton, England
Posts: 12,446
Woolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
I've cleared up the results of a formula car who had a bee hit him while wearing a full face helmet but with the visor open a little to help with misting. I've also seen the results of chin/steering wheel interface. Frankly, after 25 years marshalling, if I started driving I wouldn't consider an open helmet at all, never mind in an open car with all manner of things that can hit you. You're spending a large chunk of money to protect your head, why compromise when you could protect the rest of your face as well?
Woolley is offline  
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other.
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 05:20 (Ref:3254820)   #5
Lola
Veteran
 
Lola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
England
Nr Worcester
Posts: 625
Lola should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I was once hit in the face by a spanner exiting the car in front on the way out of Graham Hill Bend at Brands hatch. Smashed the pivot kit off. Had to drive the rest of the race one handed as i was having to hold what was left of the helmet visor in place along the straights.
Although open face helmets look good after this only a full face will do.
Lola is offline  
__________________
Magic motorsports friday tester......wednesdays too
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 07:13 (Ref:3254841)   #6
MagnetON
Admin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
MagnetON
Dublin
Posts: 12,022
MagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
People think they would be "safe" in a saloon. Had an incident where a Lotus Elan rolled and turned itself into a ball of tinfoil. As the "first on scene" marshal I can tell you you DO NOT want to be the one that has to look in an open face helmet that's come flying out an incident on its own.
MagnetON is offline  
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 07:55 (Ref:3254863)   #7
GORDON STREETER
Veteran
 
GORDON STREETER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Spain
Kent+Mojacar Spain, but not always ?
Posts: 9,391
GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!
The only time that I wore goggles was with a full face helmet when I was motocrossing, as you can have layers of tear offs on them and that is standard wear now for that sport.
I would have thought it was only a matter of time that open face helmets were outlawed in motorsport IMHO
GORDON STREETER is offline  
__________________
Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa !
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 08:14 (Ref:3254868)   #8
terence
Veteran
 
terence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Germany
Nordschleife
Posts: 12,853
terence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridterence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Who's to say whether or not Massa would have escaped such a nasty injury IF he had been wearing an open face?Had the FF been a little narrower,he may not have been hit by that spring.
terence is offline  
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me.
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 09:31 (Ref:3254911)   #9
Al Weyman
Veteran
 
Al Weyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
England
South of Watford (just)
Posts: 14,699
Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!Al Weyman has a real shot at the podium!
I wish I was wearing an openface when I puked up my breakfast in my fullface version at Rockingham! Seriously though full face for me everytime.
Al Weyman is offline  
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter!
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 09:32 (Ref:3254912)   #10
MagnetON
Admin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
MagnetON
Dublin
Posts: 12,022
MagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMagnetON will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Weyman View Post
I wish I was wearing an openface when I puked up my breakfast in my fullface version at Rockingham!
OVERSHARE!
MagnetON is offline  
Quote
Old 29 May 2013, 22:40 (Ref:3255228)   #11
dtype38
Race Official
Veteran
 
dtype38's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
East London
Posts: 2,479
dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!
Well, just for the sake of making this a slightly less one sided crusade against open face helmets....

When I first started racing open cars I used a Arai GP Jet open face with goggles and a standard balaclava. I loved it. The feeling of speed, the wind noise, the smells are all more exciting, more involving that being sealed away in the sterile environment of a closed face helmet. It's exactly like the difference between driving an open car or a closed car. If you were that worried about safety and something hitting you, then why would you ever drive an open car in the first place? And if you're of the opinion that open face helmets aren't safe, then I can't see how you could justify open cars either.

And yes I have had stuff hit me in the face, and it hurts. So what, running into a barrier hurts more, but we wouldn't stop racing just because it might happen. I don't think you should criticise unless you've tried it. I have and know that if the car in front runs over some gravel spilled from a trap, and you're in an open car with an open helmet.... well you hunker down a bit and dip your peak a bit. It isn't rocket science.

If you want to go on a safety witch hunt, then try starting with making the historic racers out there fit full roll cages and 6-point harnesses. After all, it was the number of people killed driving in those things that lead to all the safety rules we have now.

Rant over...

Sorry.
dtype38 is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 06:49 (Ref:3255300)   #12
GORDON STREETER
Veteran
 
GORDON STREETER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Spain
Kent+Mojacar Spain, but not always ?
Posts: 9,391
GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!GORDON STREETER is going for a new world record!
I'm not criticising I'm just pointing out what can and what has happened in my case.
We have all done silly things including riding motorbikes without a helmet before they were made compulsory and at the time didn't even think about it !
It's a free world (or was) and if people want to do anything lawful then I wouldn't stand in their way
GORDON STREETER is offline  
__________________
Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa !
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 07:30 (Ref:3255309)   #13
dtype38
Race Official
Veteran
 
dtype38's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
East London
Posts: 2,479
dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER View Post
It's a free world (or was) and if people want to do anything lawful then I wouldn't stand in their way



But sadly it gets a bit more complicated when people exercise their lawful right to campaign against your lawful activity.

dtype38 is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 08:36 (Ref:3255342)   #14
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Oh I agree, this is my personal view and my personal view only. Open face helmets are fully legal and I will defend your right to wear them. I'm just outlining the reasons I won't.

I wear an open face helmet in a saloon car when I'm teaching, and it just feels so wrong. I've only ever worn f/f otherwise from when I was 16 and riding my Fizzie.

re your points about stones etc, my view is that it's a likely and preventable injury and I can take reasonable steps to stop it happening without inconveniencing me or my wallet. Cost/benefit - cost is comparatively low, probability of it protecting me is high therefore worth the expenditure
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 08:53 (Ref:3255354)   #15
JohnD
Veteran
 
JohnD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location:
North West UK
Posts: 1,074
JohnD should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridJohnD should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Just to be more contraversial, what do people think of wearing a scarf over your face, under your open face helmet?
A la Graham Hill: http://www.500race.org/Men/Hill.htm
Who cares if it does provide protection against bees, small stones etc?
The look is just so 'chocks away, tally ho' !

Plus balaclava, or instead of?

John
JohnD is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 10:30 (Ref:3255379)   #16
dtype38
Race Official
Veteran
 
dtype38's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
East London
Posts: 2,479
dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!
I'd go for it It doesn't put anyone else at risk does it?

As it happens, my race car has always been road legal, taxed and insured, so I have on occasion done road trips in it. For short trips I use a leather flying helmet, split pane goggles and a scarf wrapped so that one end flutters in the wind. Not very safe, but it's my own choice. It's all very and feels great.

For more serious distances I wear ear plugs, two beanie hats, a city cycling filter mask and pair of ski goggles, plus the obligatory scarf. It still feels way more 'exposed' and exciting than even an open face helmet, never mind a closed one.

Ok, I admit I always take a full face helmet with me, but that's only in case it ****es down!


More seriously though, my concern is that when people start discussing things like this it's very hard to argue against people being 'more safe'. Obviously everyone wants everyone else to be as safe as possible. Few would want to be seen suggesting that people should put themselves at more risk than they have to, particularly if it doesn't cost much to eliminate the risk. So pretty soon a weight of opinion forms that allowing a certain 'risk' to be taken is a bad idea, with few dissenting voices. So then it sounds like a majority are for eliminating that risk and pretty soon the rule makers include it as a 'recommendation' for best safety. And as we all know, one year's 'recommendation' has a habit of becoming next year's 'requirement' in our sport.

There's no easy answer. I lived through the Helmet Law controversy for motorbikes and had a lot of sympathy for the small number of gnarled old chopper and 'brit bike' riders who simply wanted it to be a personal choice. And yet it was obvious how many kids on fs1e's and ap50's lives were being saved by not giving them the choice. Perhaps for racing I'd agree that if you have a cross on the back of your car, you have to wear a full face helmet. After that you can choose. That would mean it was a genuine decision to go open face. An opt in, as it were, that few would even bother to try.

dtype38 is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 10:43 (Ref:3255386)   #17
BertMk2
Race Official
Veteran
 
BertMk2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
United Kingdom
Nr Maidstone, Kent
Posts: 10,260
BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!
I have an open face helmet - but then I sit on the 'wrong' side of the car and don't have a steering wheel in front of me. I also find it easier to talk to marshals at time controls with the open face helmet. The downside as people have already mentioned is getting insects in the face - our roof vent scoops them up nicely and fires them into the car. At least since putting a finer mesh over the vent they come into the car in smaller pieces
BertMk2 is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 12:25 (Ref:3255432)   #18
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
So '38, you're hinting we shouldn't discuss it in case you get an "Law of Unintended Consequences" result that you don't agree with? That's even more anti-libertarian than mandating a full-face helmet

I'd never want o/f helmets banned in the same way I'd never want HANS mandatory - the chance to make my own grown up decision based on my own personal risk assessment.

Talking of FS1Es, another nail in the o/f coffin was when my mate came off his and scraped his visor along the road. Wrecked the front of his helmet, but at least his face was no more ugly than before he came off!

On the other side of the argument, a customer came in here recently and ordered an o/f because he'd been told he wouldn't have sufficient peripheral vision in his closed cockpit car to see the cars lapping him otherwise.

We're getting the same discussion about compulsion in cycling at the moment. I wouldn't dream of riding my racer without a helmet, but wouldn't wear it on my MTB going round the village. Risk assessment again.
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 13:12 (Ref:3255460)   #19
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,358
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD View Post
Just to be more contraversial, what do people think of wearing a scarf over your face, under your open face helmet?
The Blue Book says: "Never wear a scarf, tie or other loose clothing
which could come loose and possibly cause an
accident." Would a gentleman race without a tie? How times change!

Quote:
Originally Posted by midgetman View Post
I'd never want o/f helmets banned in the same way I'd never want HANS mandatory - the chance to make my own grown up decision based on my own personal risk assessment.
Interesting point (well, I think so!) here: Are open face helmets HANS compatible? I can't really see why not, just wouldn't look right to me.
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 14:07 (Ref:3255481)   #20
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post


Interesting point (well, I think so!) here: Are open face helmets HANS compatible? I can't really see why not, just wouldn't look right to me.
Yes they are, and because the HANS device should reduce the face/steering wheel interface likelihood they actually work well together. We do shift quite a few of them actually, and they're not that expensive compared to a helmet without posts.
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 16:59 (Ref:3255542)   #21
dtype38
Race Official
Veteran
 
dtype38's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
East London
Posts: 2,479
dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!dtype38 has a real shot at the podium!
Lot more important to have a tight fitting o/f helmet with a HANS device I would have thought. Wouldn't want your head popping out the front and only being restrained by the neck strap!!!

Take your point MM about free speech... just not particularly a believer myself. Whoever said 'the pen is mightier than the sword' (or keyboard these days) knew that words can have more impact than sharp implements. So all the more important to take care about how you wield them..... and take responsibility for the possible outcome if you do!
dtype38 is offline  
Quote
Old 30 May 2013, 20:52 (Ref:3255705)   #22
FastDB2s
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
England
Solihull, West Mids
Posts: 519
FastDB2s should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Whilst we are talking about HANS, how much time does it add to a driver change, can the change still be done in 30 / 35seconds.
FastDB2s is offline  
Quote
Old 31 May 2013, 05:29 (Ref:3255807)   #23
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brand View Post
The Blue Book says: "Never wear a scarf, tie or other loose clothing
which could come loose and possibly cause an
accident." Would a gentleman race without a tie? How times change!:.
clearly a properly fastened tie pin would remove the dilemma. But ties are for arrivistes, a true gentleman would drive in a Nomex cravat, securely fastened inside the overalls.

Don't forget I have a vested interest. A multi-national rapacious oppressor of the masses such as me makes far more profit on an f/f than an o/f. Therefore I use the spurious reason of enhanced safety to con yet more money out of you horny-handed sons of toil and impose another unfair tax on your sporting habits.

Or so my customers have you believe!
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 31 May 2013, 05:32 (Ref:3255808)   #24
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 6,776
midgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famemidgetman will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastDB2s View Post
Whilst we are talking about HANS, how much time does it add to a driver change, can the change still be done in 30 / 35seconds.
From what I've heard it doesn't cause any problems as long as there's someone there to help you.

Remember if you have any of those fancy "HANS compatible" seat belts and your co-driver doesn't wear a HANS, you need a second top strap set for him/her. Best stick to normal belts.
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 31 May 2013, 05:49 (Ref:3255810)   #25
Lola
Veteran
 
Lola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
England
Nr Worcester
Posts: 625
Lola should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by midgetman View Post
clearly a properly fastened tie pin would remove the dilemma. But ties are for arrivistes, a true gentleman would drive in a Nomex cravat, securely fastened inside the overalls.

Don't forget I have a vested interest. A multi-national rapacious oppressor of the masses such as me makes far more profit on an f/f than an o/f. Therefore I use the spurious reason of enhanced safety to con yet more money out of you horny-handed sons of toil and impose another unfair tax on your sporting habits.

Or so my customers have you believe!
Lola is offline  
__________________
Magic motorsports friday tester......wednesdays too
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Helmets - Open Face or not? Nick JM Historic Racing Today 57 29 Apr 2012 08:54
Sparco Open Face Helmet Change? Cryos Racers Forum 17 23 Mar 2007 08:52
Open face helmets EvilPumpkin Racers Forum 92 10 Nov 2006 05:00
Helmet safety (was Open face helmets) EvilPumpkin Marshals Forum 28 27 Sep 2006 17:45
Open face helmets Erki Australasian Touring Cars. 52 15 Sep 2006 05:57


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:19.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.