TCR Australia 2022

[one five five]

Who misses out in a GRM drive?

If they want to run 4 Peugeot’s and two Renault’s, then that means the Bargwanna’s, Cameron, O’Keefe, Moffat, Cox and Caruso are presumably in play and one will miss out?

[bathurst77]

Looks like the ARG suite are all off to channel 9 and stan this year!


https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/arg-cate..._ghiOb23uEKIPI

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

If they want to run 4 Peugeot’s and two Renault’s, then that means the Bargwanna’s, Cameron, O’Keefe, Moffat, Cox and Caruso are presumably in play and one will miss out?

Cameron confirmed at GRM in a Peugeot. You'd have to think both Bargs will stay because they are funding. Moffat I am not fussed over but Cox and O'Keefe are both genuine talents who should be on the grid!

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Looks like the ARG suite are all off to channel 9 and stan this year!

I'm not sad because the 7plus app was an unreliable POS, showing more ads than racing.

But if TCR is behind a Stan paywall who is going to pay for it?

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Cameron confirmed at GRM in a Peugeot. You'd have to think both Bargs will stay because they are funding. Moffat I am not fussed over but Cox and O'Keefe are both genuine talents who should be on the grid!



I'm not sad because the 7plus app was an unreliable POS, showing more ads than racing.

But if TCR is behind a Stan paywall who is going to pay for it?

STAN also has IndyCar, WRC, Formula E and WEC.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Mixer

But if TCR is behind a Stan paywall who is going to pay for it?

IF you already have stan (which has a lot of good stuff so worthwhile for $14) its $10 extra and has rugby and other forms of motor and other sports no ads. If you got it from feb to november its $100... with free trial and signing up at right time get it down to 90

Whats a day at the track cost.. .entry, petrol, food n drink, especially if its a group or family?
Im in!

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

IF you already have stan (which has a lot of good stuff so worthwhile for $14) its $10 extra and has rugby and other forms of motor and other sports no ads. If you got it from feb to november its $100... with free trial and signing up at right time get it down to 90

Too many streaming services already, Stan's not making the cut. Laughably Formula E is probably the most interesting property Stan has.

Like Optus Sport. Just a black hole now. TCR isn't going to make me take on an extra service like Supercars does. I think where TCR is at they need to meet the market.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Looks like the ARG suite are all off to channel 9 and stan this year!


https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/arg-cate..._ghiOb23uEKIPI

Wasn’t one of the big selling points for all the ARG categories the extensive live free to air coverage?Now it appears that is going to Stan Sport which has about 20% of the subscriber numbers of the Foxtel/Kayo sport packages.
Depending on what the 9 highlights package is TCR/ARG might join Indycar in the one less category to watch club.

[racer69]

I got Stan when I saw they have to WRC, WEC and Indycars, so if they pick up the ARG events that’s a bonus for me. Foxtel to me doesn’t have the value Motorsport wise these days that it used to a decade plus ago.

Having said that, I think it’s an odd move by ARG if the TCR and S5000 races are exclusive to Stan (even if it’s only some of the races only on Stan)

[Alan52]

Personally the only racing I would pay to watch on tv is F1 and Moto GP.If anything else doesn’t come with whatever package I am paying for to get those I have no problem in cancelling interest in Indycar,ARG etc.
Only exception is Le Mans where you can buy a 1 race streaming package.

[Mixer]

These sports need to grow a brain and just sell a membership direct on YouTube or similar and be done with it, but as long as Foxtel, Stan and Optus shareholders are going to cough up money they will take it, ultimately to their own cost.

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[one five five]

How did a “non-news” site like V8 Sleuth get the drop on this (and now motorsport.com) ?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

How did a “non-news” site like V8 Sleuth get the drop on this (and now motorsport.com) ?

PR people In a team?

Broader question might be why there was no broadcast deal in place at this late stage?

Its later than the deal that cost Dick Johnson the Hungry Jack's sponsorship. Dick is clearly a fisherman!

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

PR people In a team?

Broader question might be why there was no broadcast deal in place at this late stage?

Its later than the deal that cost Dick Johnson the Hungry Jack's sponsorship. Dick is clearly a fisherman!

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A TV deal of sorts has probably been in place all along, I’d say either of two things happened;

A) the Stan deal was done long ago and they’ve waited to near the season start to announce it

B) the 2021-style deal with Ch7 (ie…buying their airtime) was in place but Stan has offered them a better deal at this late stage.

You’d hope they’d have had something in place though, as that doesn’t say a lot for the future of Supercars then….

[bathurst77]

Nothing good is free, you pay for it. Subscription, entry fee, taxes or advertising (added to retail price)
The wages of all the people involved and profit of the company have to be met

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

You’d hope they’d have had something in place though, as that doesn’t say a lot for the future of Supercars then….

What has Supercars got to do with it, other than the fact that it is a big enough pull to make people subscribe to Kayo for it?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

What has Supercars got to do with it

Everything, look at the ownership.

[banksie]

Originally Posted by one five five

You’d hope they’d have had something in place though, as that doesn’t say a lot for the future of Supercars then….

You can't draw any comparison between the TCR TV deal and Supercars.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by banksie

You can't draw any comparison between the TCR TV deal and Supercars.

You most certainly can when you look at the series ownerships

[banksie]

Beyond the series owners being the same, there is no comparison in TV agreements. Supercars have strong TV contracts for big dollars, that represent the large audience they command on both Fox and 7. The ratings for Bathurst showed the interest in Supercars, the average audience over 6+ hours across both platforms was great.

Its premature to be concerned about the TCR TV deal, Stan have purchased other motorsport categories, they likely have paid more than 7 were offering for TCR. May find 9 air the racing, maybe on Gem, providing FTA coverage.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by banksie

Beyond the series owners being the same, there is no comparison in TV agreements. Supercars have strong TV contracts for big dollars, that represent the large audience they command on both Fox and 7. The ratings for Bathurst showed the interest in Supercars, the average audience over 6+ hours across both platforms was great.

The current Supercars TV agreement wasn’t negotiated by the current owners.

The closest comparison we have to the current owners negotiating a TV deal is what happens with TCR this year, and what we have at the moment is a seemingly unconfirmed TV deal a fortnight out from the opener

Have the new owners announced the TV deal for the 12 hour yet?

I don’t understand why people keep trying to seperate what Supercars does now from the ARG categories? They are all as one and we should just refer to them all as RACE categories.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

I don’t understand why people keep trying to seperate what Supercars does now from the ARG categories? They are all as one and we should just refer to them all as RACE categories.

Probably because ARG doesn't own Supercars 100%, whereas it does hold the category management rights to TCR 100%.

You're right to raise the questions you're raising about how good (or not) ARG are at doing TV deals but ARG is only a shareholder in the new ownership structure at Supercars and so far as we've seen, isn't running Supercars day-to-day by itself.

The other shareholders in Supercars have some experience at doing TV deals and they also have the option of contacting a former shareholder, Mr Erskine to put TV deals together. I honestly don't think that we can extrapolate any expectations for Supercars TV deals from the deal done by ARG (or MAus) for TCR coverage.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

If they want to run 4 Peugeot’s and two Renault’s, then that means the Bargwanna’s, Cameron, O’Keefe, Moffat, Cox and Caruso are presumably in play and one will miss out?

GRM have run a test day:

Ben Bargwanna, Jordan Cox, and Dylan O’Keeffe enjoyed their first laps behind the wheel of their cars for the year.

I guess Moffat and Caruso are waiting for the music to stop.

Caruso should have the speed but I also seem to remember conflict and drama with him and the team.

Coverage of the series is set to be carried by streaming service Stan Sport, which has also secured local rights to IndyCar, the World Rally Championship, Formula E, and World Endurance Championship.

This also might be saying that the ONLY coverage is on Stan Sport? If true, I think this is commercial suicide.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by banksie

Beyond the series owners being the same, there is no comparison in TV agreements. Supercars have strong TV contracts for big dollars, that represent the large audience they command on both Fox and 7. The ratings for Bathurst showed the interest in Supercars, the average audience over 6+ hours across both platforms was great.

Its premature to be concerned about the TCR TV deal, Stan have purchased other motorsport categories, they likely have paid more than 7 were offering for TCR. May find 9 air the racing, maybe on Gem, providing FTA coverage.

ARG own TCR, & are shareholders in RACE the owners of Supercars. Barclay Nettlefolds interests have no financial interest in ARG.

Of interest to me is James Warburtons interest in either group: anyone?

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

2 litre cars are coming back home to C9. All those years ago when super touring was shown 6:30 the following Saturday in 94, then after the F1 broadcast in 95.

It's interesting to note this from a business point of view (Which some of you seem to be most interested in). TCR goes from not existing, to paying for live coverage on SBS, to paying for live coverage on C7, and now is getting paid for it by C9? To me, it seems to me from a business perspective that the trajectory is going upwards?

I would anticipate the coverage being similar on C7 last year, with all day live coverage on 7plus, but limited live coverage on the channel.

Personally, I hope what gets screens on C9 is a slightly delayed coverage. There
s too many dead periods that need padding with the time necessary to conduct a race meeting.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by cavvy

ARG own TCR, & are shareholders in RACE the owners of Supercars. Barclay Nettlefolds interests have no financial interest in ARG.

Of interest to me is James Warburtons interest in either group: anyone?

Except that there was a story put out a month or so ago with documents saying that within the next year RACE take ownership of ARG.