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Old 10 Jan 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3875187)   #1786
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Yes and the races were very exciting so much so that I could not stay awake for them.
Just like the last 5 years. What's changed?
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 22:24 (Ref:3875620)   #1787
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Hamilton: Current F1 tyres dictate no out-and-out racing

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“I don’t know how it has been for everyone else but there have not been a lot of races where you have been able to push to the maximum. There is so much lift and coast because the tyres overheat the whole time." Hamilton
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 10:17 (Ref:3875683)   #1788
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Of course Pirelli are to blame...they are willing participants...

They put thermally degrading composites in their tires to induce artificial degradation, and then use f1 to market 'performance' tires - this in itself is a total disgrace.

Of course F1 are to blame for creating this situation...but Pirelli are not even even capable consistently producing compounds F1 theoretically desires (i.e the hard tire that offers neither performance nor longevity etc.)
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 18:09 (Ref:3875756)   #1789
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Ive finally found the Autosporrt article where the FIA tender specifies the amount of relative degredation the hard/medium/soft compound tyres must meet for the new tyre supply contract

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/137532/
There will be three compounds at each race, as expected with the simplified hard, medium and soft names. The FIA characterises the tyres as follows:

- Hard compound: 2s degradation achieved at 22% race distance Base lap time

- Medium compound: 2s degradation achieved at 18% race distance 1.2s/lap quicker than Hard compound

- Soft compound: 2s degradation achieved at 10% race distance 2.2s/lap quicker than Hard compound

I assume something like this was written into the current tender and contract which Pirelli are fulfilling so you can't blame them for the state of the tyres - just the requirements of the contract.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 21:33 (Ref:3875788)   #1790
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 21:38 (Ref:3875789)   #1791
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A really sensible decision. Keeping things simple in terms of tyre compounds. And no tyre warmers will make it more challenging for the drivers
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Ive finally found the Autosporrt article where the FIA tender specifies the amount of relative degredation the hard/medium/soft compound tyres must meet for the new tyre supply contract

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/137532/
There will be three compounds at each race, as expected with the simplified hard, medium and soft names. The FIA characterises the tyres as follows:

- Hard compound: 2s degradation achieved at 22% race distance Base lap time

- Medium compound: 2s degradation achieved at 18% race distance 1.2s/lap quicker than Hard compound

- Soft compound: 2s degradation achieved at 10% race distance 2.2s/lap quicker than Hard compound

I assume something like this was written into the current tender and contract which Pirelli are fulfilling so you can't blame them for the state of the tyres - just the requirements of the contract.
Ignoring the badly worded:

"Once a period of aggressive driving or close following ceases, the tyre should rapidly recover the lower level of degradation per lap associated with the more benign conditions."

Once overheated, the Pirelli's never recover grip or wear!

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Old 13 Jan 2019, 08:22 (Ref:3875867)   #1793
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Old 13 Jan 2019, 12:39 (Ref:3875914)   #1794
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Of course Pirelli are to blame...they are willing participants...
Who isn’t a willing participant in the sport? From the manufacturers to the drivers and... even the fans? Permanently ban them all for their participation in this farce! Burn it all to the ground!



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Ignoring the badly worded:

"Once a period of aggressive driving or close following ceases, the tyre should rapidly recover the lower level of degradation per lap associated with the more benign conditions."

Once overheated, the Pirelli's never recover grip or wear!
iím no expert, but how would that even be possible? every kind of racing tyre has a number of heat cycles it can realistically handle before it degrades permanently?
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iím no expert, but how would that even be possible? every kind of racing tyre has a number of heat cycles it can realistically handle before it degrades permanently?

And how can Pirelli control/police how the teams use their rubber. Some teams subject their tyres to different heat cycles to others, some send out the cars for a lap or two to scrub the new ones in before putting them back into the tyre heaters. And so on.

As has been found out in the past, the teams cannot even be trusted to only use the Pirelli instructions on maximum camber, which can also have a detrimental effect on the tyres.
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And how can Pirelli control/police how the teams use their rubber. Some teams subject their tyres to different heat cycles to others, some send out the cars for a lap or two to scrub the new ones in before putting them back into the tyre heaters. And so on.

As has been found out in the past, the teams cannot even be trusted to only use the Pirelli instructions on maximum camber, which can also have a detrimental effect on the tyres.
Not to mention teams not sticking to Pirelli recommended pressure parameters.
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Old 13 Jan 2019, 22:08 (Ref:3876001)   #1798
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iím no expert, but how would that even be possible? every kind of racing tyre has a number of heat cycles it can realistically handle before it degrades permanently?
Bella, the problem with the Pirellis is that once they have exceeded a critical temperature which is lower on their tyres than the other manufacturers due to the molding plasticizers required to extrude them, the tyres never recover. Normal racing tyres are hand laid and do not contain the plasticizers that go off permanently, this means that they recover when cooled, the Pirellis don't.

The FIA needs to pay Pirelli more for the tyres, so the can afford to hand lay the tyres without plasticizers.

Pirelli had largely solved the problem until the FIA went hybrid and heavy, the further exacerbated the problem with increased download to make the heavy cars faster, this caused a lot more energy, translated as heat, to be put through the tyres than was originally intended. Designed for one use, used for another.
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The FIA needs to pay Pirelli more for the tyres, so the can afford to hand lay the tyres without plasticizers.

The FIA does not pay for the tyres; all teams have to purchase the tyres that are supplied.

Prior to this change in regulations, some teams were paying for a supply, whilst others were being paid to use the tyres. The current system creates a level playing field as far as the supply of tyres is concerned, although it doesn't address the problem that certain tyres suit certain cars better than others.

However, I do believe that the FIA does fix the price, just that it doesn't actually pay the bill.
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They have the choice not to pursue the tender, simple as that. They should say, as a tire company - one that supposedly specializes in performance tires that - "we will not compete in a series that requires us to construct a tire that is deliberately engineered to degrade. It is not in our ethos."

Michelin would never put themselves in that position.
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