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Old 26 Nov 2003, 21:58 (Ref:795585)   #31
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Letís not forget about Cevert.
I totally agree Gil de Ferran deserves a chance.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 11:05 (Ref:795982)   #32
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Stefano Modena?! What the hell happened there. Was he another Italian who bottled it or was he overrated to begin with? His F3 drives were good against v strong Italian opposition and i saw him in several 3000 races in '87. At Birmingham he destroyed the field. Apart from a few with Brabham and one or two with Tyrrell (Monaco '91) he plummeted which i found v disappointing.

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Old 27 Nov 2003, 11:06 (Ref:795984)   #33
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when i say a few and one or two i mean performances in F1!
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 11:20 (Ref:795995)   #34
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Yeah Modena finished 3rd at Monaco in 89 with the Brabham (no mean feat after having to pre qualify), and inherited 2nd at Canada in 91 after Mansells famous last lap retirement. He was generally disappionting in the Honda powered 91 Tyrrell though, as Alesi had done better the previous year in the same car but with the underpowered Ford engine. Then Modena went to Jordan with the yamaha engine in 92 and it finished his F1 career...and the same car also finished team mate Mauricio Gugelmins F1 career - yet another unfulfilled talent...
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 11:36 (Ref:796019)   #35
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Thanks Ryo that's a good precis of Modena's F1 career. He seemed to only excel at Monaco didn't he? In '91 he was easily second until blew up. Think unfortunately that the 019/020 chassis was good but couldn't be adapted to use the mega heavy but powerful v10 well enough. If they'd swapped the DFR for the works Ford engine it would've flown!!

Good point about Big Mo, but although he won F3 title, i never got the impression that he was an ace in waiting, if you know what i mean. Comparing him to Capelli in the March, he would outqualify Ivan but then go backwards in the race, whereas Ivan would tend to come through the field? Mo was a very smooth driver though i'll give you that, what do you reckon?
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 13:55 (Ref:796126)   #36
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Actually, Simon Graves, who starred in BTCC production couple years ago is bl***y quick in anything and someone should give him a drive.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 17:55 (Ref:796323)   #37
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I always rated two Irish lads by the names of Jonathan McGall and Bernard Dolan........
I think Jonathan now works for his father's civil engineering company, and Bernard is still involved in race preparation.
Also, Vincenzo Sospiri didn't have the chance to show what he could do in F1.
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Stefano Modena?!
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Check out the Ask Nigel archives, I think there's something there about a comment from Keke Rosberg.

Modena had been given a 1 off chance with Brabham in 1987 (I think) for his GP debut and he retired through neck pains.

"Forget him," said Keke, "a real racing driver would CARRY it home in his first GP. He'll get nowhere."

Contrast Mansell, sitting in a bath of petrol which gave him 2nd degree burns at Austria 1980, and only retired when the engine blew.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 19:31 (Ref:796399)   #39
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Jacques Villeneuve had not hit His prime when He jumped from Williams to BAR,don't know Why...Maybe Money.

One thing is Certain Villeneuve Took the Williams CURSE with Him. Not one Driver ever Won an F1 Championship after leaving Williams.
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Old 27 Nov 2003, 19:39 (Ref:796404)   #40
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How about Pierluigi Martini? Did amazing things in...a Minardi! And he was quick as soon as he jumped into Sportscars too.

Going back a lot further, Giancarlo Baghetti sunk almost without a trace after his debut win. Mind you, the ATS couldn't have helped!

Ricardo Rodriguez and Stefan Bellof stand as perhaps the two talents that promised the most and were tragically killed particularly early.
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Old 30 Nov 2003, 01:39 (Ref:798614)   #41
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I'd add two guys who actually ran as team mates in FF for a while:
Tommy Byrne and Roberto Moreno

Moreno was a class act driver who regularly signed for teams whose designer's talents might have been better suited to milk floats.
Look at the field he beat at the Australian GP in 1981. He blew away Piquet and Jones in the year they were fighting for the world title.

Tommy paid the price for getting into F1 too early, and I also wonder if there wasn't a tempramental issue. If the car wasn't right he perhaps couldn't be bothered to get it there.

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Old 3 Dec 2003, 12:51 (Ref:802608)   #43
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Tommy had a cracking record on the way up didn't he? Yes that's one of the best examples we've had so far, Good one Chris! Felt sorry for Moreno after the Benetton debacle of '91, he's finally got to a team that his talent deserved and was crueally brushed aside by politics.

Hey how about Enrique Mansilla, he was pretty damn quick wasn't he? Remember watching him in few F3 races in '82 and he looked top talent. Ran out of money in '83 i recall. He could've been mega, despite being early victim of an Da Silva outburst in FF1600! For Ayrton to do that, he must have seen Quique as a real threat!!?
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Old 3 Dec 2003, 15:07 (Ref:802757)   #44
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Moreno, well maybe perhaps. Agreed he was ace in F Pacific, good in FF and F3 too. But he never looked special in F1 I thought, big chance at Benetton, after a good start in late 90, and didn't really do it. This was before the Schumacher/Jordan debacle of late 91. Tauranac rated him though, which says something I suppose.
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Old 3 Dec 2003, 17:10 (Ref:802867)   #45
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Jarier , quoted early in the thread, is still storming a viper in the FFSA GT. When the car is big enough to contain him, he's still a led foot. At Dijon, i remember him setting the pole in Porsche cup after having done a 'four wheels over the kerb' before the Pouas curve. And i can't remember hearing the throttle coming back from full (sp?).
He also rents some balconys at good prize for the Monaco GP.
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