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Old 15 Mar 2007, 23:03 (Ref:1867756)   #26
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Your absoutly correct. Racing is not socialium, not everyone can race. When there are limits to what the track or the number of pit stalls.

Some teams are not accepted or may not qualify.
Using the NASCAR example, it will be more like the top 35 in owner points,in this case the full season entrants, get automatic grid spots and then if there is any left over the rest are chosen in the way that the ACO wants! Picked, qualified, devined what ever!

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Old 15 Mar 2007, 23:37 (Ref:1867784)   #27
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Welcome to racing.

Hopefully this will not come to pass this year. Larger gids will help promote the race sereirs. and hopefully larger race sponsors too.

Qualification = fastest or lowest times. Untill the grids are large enough or there are soo many teams, we can all hope, most likely it is a moot point.
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 00:05 (Ref:1867796)   #28
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There are a number of cars entering the LMS mid season, Lister for one.

Spa and Silverstone can accomodate a larger field.
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 11:44 (Ref:1868195)   #29
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Must be in the LMS their talking about , cuz factory teams are not allowed in FIA GT ?
Ofcourse they may race in the FiaGT. Why not? because they are a factory team? Than BMS and Scuderia Playteam may also not drive in the FiaGT.
that's why they made the Citation Cup for the "Privateers" and "Gentlemans".
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 20:22 (Ref:1868521)   #30
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Nobody will be forced out as it won't be in LMS - If it happens it would be the Spa 24 Hours
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 20:35 (Ref:1868527)   #31
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Ofcourse they may race in the FiaGT. Why not? because they are a factory team? Than BMS and Scuderia Playteam may also not drive in the FiaGT.
that's why they made the Citation Cup for the "Privateers" and "Gentlemans".
BMS and Scuderia Playteam are factory backed teams, not factory teams.

Vette would be allowed to race in the FIA but they would not score any points. This is what happened with Aston Martin a few years back.

As Graham said, Spa looks the most likely too me.
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 20:47 (Ref:1868536)   #32
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Just to be clear - if Team Corvette race it will be at the Spa 24 Hours
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 20:55 (Ref:1868545)   #33
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If team corvette would run some of the LMES races this year, they would prove alot more to me, than if they were to run here in the states. There is just no WORHTY competion here any more!!

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Old 16 Mar 2007, 22:21 (Ref:1868607)   #34
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they'd prove more to me if they'd have P&M build Z06s for the GT2 class and sell them to customers.

there's already Corvettes in LMS and FIA GT.
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 22:35 (Ref:1868614)   #35
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they'd prove more to me if they'd have P&M build Z06s for the GT2 class and sell them to customers.

there's already Corvettes in LMS and FIA GT.
Selling customer cars for GT2 would prove nothing at this point. Obviously a group that can build such a quality GT1, could do so similarily in GT2. That's like suggesting that Fernando Alonso has proven all he needs to in F1, and should step down to GP2 to prove something.

If P&M felt they needed a new challenge, the place for them to go, would be LMP1.

Having said that, GM has a Marketing plan to follow, and will continue to run, until they don't want to market their car further. The GT1 field is currently disappointing, but we said the same thing about LMP2 just a couple of years ago.
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Old 16 Mar 2007, 22:50 (Ref:1868625)   #36
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If P&M felt they needed a new challenge, the place for them to go, would be LMP1.
Hello the Banner Engineering Pontiac G6r's in Grand Am GT class are P&M built and managed.
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Hello the Banner Engineering Pontiac G6r's in Grand Am GT class are P&M built and managed.
Yes, and so are the Caddy's in Speed World Challenge... P&M builds cars, for where GM pays them to... I'm a little unclear what your point is.
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Selling customer cars for GT2 would prove nothing at this point. Obviously a group that can build such a quality GT1, could do so similarily in GT2. That's like suggesting that Fernando Alonso has proven all he needs to in F1, and should step down to GP2 to prove something.

If P&M felt they needed a new challenge, the place for them to go, would be LMP1.

Having said that, GM has a Marketing plan to follow, and will continue to run, until they don't want to market their car further. The GT1 field is currently disappointing, but we said the same thing about LMP2 just a couple of years ago.
because a gt2 Z06 would be more production-based and wouldn't have an additional liter of displacement over the production car. the 911 is a closer competitor to the Z06 than a DB9.

racing in p2 has been more affordable than gt1 though

i'm talking about cars, not drivers.

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because a gt2 Z06 would be more production-based and wouldn't have an additional liter of displacement over the production car. the 911 is a closer competitor to the Z06 than a DB9.

racing in p2 has been more affordable than gt1 though

i'm talking about cars, not drivers.
The C6.R is 7.0 litres... as is the Z06.... so there is no additional litre of displacement over the production car.

Who cares what car is a closer competitor in the showroom. These classes aren't set by price. Is the Ferrari 430 GT also in the wrong class? Who mentioned drivers?
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If anything GM stepping down to GT2 would be a greater challenge, up against the might of Porsche and Ferrari, especially if they relied on customer teams.

Surely the pull of the Corvette brand would see them sell plenty of Corvette GT2's, eventually becoming self sustaining, even profitable, like Porsche's 911 cutomer models. They could even tap into the potentally lucrative GT3 market, who knows, even encourage a GT3 support series for the ALMS.

If P&M/GM want to demonstrate their technology P1's the obvious choice, even if they follow Acura's path with an off the shelf chassis.
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Old 17 Mar 2007, 03:26 (Ref:1868781)   #41
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ahh, imagine a chevy v8 in a lmp1 car. that would be great!
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The C6.R is 7.0 litres... as is the Z06.... so there is no additional litre of displacement over the production car.

Who cares what car is a closer competitor in the showroom. These classes aren't set by price. Is the Ferrari 430 GT also in the wrong class? Who mentioned drivers?
but the C6 (not the Z06) homologates the C6.R

you made a comparison of P&M moving from GT1 to GT2 as alonso moving from F1 to GP2
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If anything GM stepping down to GT2 would be a greater challenge, up against the might of Porsche and Ferrari, especially if they relied on customer teams.

Surely the pull of the Corvette brand would see them sell plenty of Corvette GT2's, eventually becoming self sustaining, even profitable, like Porsche's 911 cutomer models. They could even tap into the potentally lucrative GT3 market, who knows, even encourage a GT3 support series for the ALMS.
exactly
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Old 17 Mar 2007, 05:07 (Ref:1868853)   #44
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ahh, imagine a chevy v8 in a lmp1 car. that would be great!
yes in a riley Mk.XIV

http://www.endurance-info.com/2006_L...IV_LM_P1_1.jpg
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Corvette C6/ZO6 (homologation ACO N°: LMGT1-02)
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Old 17 Mar 2007, 07:57 (Ref:1868922)   #46
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ahh, imagine a chevy v8 in a lmp1 car. that would be great!
Well, it hasn't been that long since we last had a Chevy V8 in a P1.

2006, for example!
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If anything GM stepping down to GT2 would be a greater challenge, up against the might of Porsche and Ferrari, especially if they relied on customer teams.

Surely the pull of the Corvette brand would see them sell plenty of Corvette GT2's, eventually becoming self sustaining, even profitable, like Porsche's 911 cutomer models. They could even tap into the potentally lucrative GT3 market, who knows, even encourage a GT3 support series for the ALMS.

If P&M/GM want to demonstrate their technology P1's the obvious choice, even if they follow Acura's path with an off the shelf chassis.
I agree
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Perhaps in another thread, but the #3 Corvette came out in a different livery this morning. They are using the livery from the Ron Fellows GT1 Champion Corvette Z06 road car.

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If anything GM stepping down to GT2 would be a greater challenge, up against the might of Porsche and Ferrari, especially if they relied on customer teams.

Surely the pull of the Corvette brand would see them sell plenty of Corvette GT2's, eventually becoming self sustaining, even profitable, like Porsche's 911 cutomer models. They could even tap into the potentally lucrative GT3 market, who knows, even encourage a GT3 support series for the ALMS.

If P&M/GM want to demonstrate their technology P1's the obvious choice, even if they follow Acura's path with an off the shelf chassis.
I disagree. Chevy will not produce a race ready car as porsche does. This is something I was lobbing for and was clearly told NO, this will not happen. If I am wrong or they changed their mind I would buy the first 2 race ready cars when they do,

Corvette is keeping its options Open for europe in 2007 and beyond no deffinet plans.
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