2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[S griffin]

Well there will always be loopholes there to be exploited. Both DJR and 888 are masters at it. But the competition is still fierce

[bluesport]

The COG parity may just relate to the DJR/TP heavy silencers.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Forda

So the Mustangs have to be nobbled because 888 are no longer winning everything / can't get the single spring setup working.

What a joke.

Whinge and win, holden have been experts at it for decades.

[S griffin]

There will always be one

[one five five]

Given the way the rules have been since 1993, how can anyone, Ford included, have seen the results and NOT expected a parity change?

[S griffin]

Well it’s so random at times. But I like the idea sometines

[johnh875]

Remember once upon a time when they used to throw all the lap times into an algorithm and conclude that despite all the races being won by one team, that there wasn't a parity issue? I gather that program didn't get put on someone's new computer or whoever did those calcs is no longer around?

[Mixer]

Note one team, not one brand of vehicle...

[S griffin]

Well the team will always prepare their cars better, regardless of what car they are running

[johnh875]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Note one team, not one brand of vehicle...

Well perhaps I used a bit of hyperbole, there were the odd races won by other teams of the same brand. This was back in the HRT, AU Falcon days from memory.

[S griffin]

I think they won’t have it all their own Way. Certainly other teams like in the past can catch up

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by johnh875

Well perhaps I used a bit of hyperbole, there were the odd races won by other teams of the same brand. This was back in the HRT, AU Falcon days from memory.

The early AU had Ford crying parity but the undertray was terrible and fragile, even after the Holdens bottom undertray was grafted on, Ford drivers complained until the BA came out.

Mystifyingly however those same cars were very fast in the dev series, easily clocking times much faster than they had done in the main game, with no mechanical changes.

[Compromised]

So the COG test was run at Kelly's and being that I know Supercars love transparency I was just wondering where I can find the results? Supercars.com?

[Umai Naa]

I suspect they will want to analyse the results first, before coming to any particular conclusion.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Compromised

So the COG test was run at Kelly's and being that I know Supercars love transparency I was just wondering where I can find the results? Supercars.com?

Buy a team and you'll find that all the results of such tests are shared to all teams. If you want the level of transparency that you seem to, that's how you get it - being a team will give you access to all the detailed information you seem to be looking for.

[xr6turboford]

Originally Posted by Mixer

The early AU had Ford crying parity but the undertray was terrible and fragile, even after the Holdens bottom undertray was grafted on, Ford drivers complained until the BA came out.

Mystifyingly however those same cars were very fast in the dev series, easily clocking times much faster than they had done in the main game, with no mechanical changes.

Selective memory or are you leaving out some very important facts like 200mm

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by xr6turboford

Selective memory or are you leaving out some very important facts like 200mm

You're suffering memory compression, that was the EL.

200mm taken off in '95, and offered back in '96 just before Bathurst which the teams declined.

It is kinda funny, if you look back at the history:
https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...t=32016&page=2

What is happening now is _exactly_ what has always happened. The technology and stakes are just higher.

[Umai Naa]

While it's great to build a new mouse trap better than the last, if it is then built to a ruleset that allows it to be significantly better, then there should be reason to investigate exactly why.

In a parity series, no one make of car should have a distinct advantage over the other two.

[S griffin]

Well they should come to an agreement about it, every team and organiser in the series, then they can agree on what needs changing instead making everything random

If they don’t want one car dominating they need to lay down the rules that would make that work

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Well they should come to an agreement about it, every team and organiser in the series, then they can agree on what needs changing instead making everything random

If they don’t want one car dominating they need to lay down the rules that would make that work

They've done that but as is always the case with rules in sport, the rulebook needs updating or adjusting as new ideas come along.

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I suspect they will want to analyse the results first, before coming to any particular conclusion.

This is the part I don't get. I (unfortunately) spend my days on Catia. The data they are looking at or "analysing" wouldn't take longer than a day to compile and see results (and that's if a single draftsman is working on it).

Why does it take so long? Do they work half days?

[S griffin]

I wonder what is going on. This must be different from usual. There must be something interesting to analyse here. What are the ins and outs? Can’t we find a solution?

[Forda]

They'll be busy reverse-engineering the data to match a pre-determined outcome.

This can take some time.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Why does it take so long? Do they work half days?

Supercars is a board, so I'd imagine that board would have to meet to discuss the findings, and vote on a resolution.

In more important news, time certain finishes are gone:

https://autoaction.com.au/2019/03/21...UeDeyB16CBkKAk

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Mixer

In more important news, time certain finishes are gone:

https://autoaction.com.au/2019/03/21...UeDeyB16CBkKAk

Fantastic news!!!!

That should have happened well before now but great to see that at last sanity has prevailed.