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Old 17 May 2019, 06:55 (Ref:3904290)   #46
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coppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridcoppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridcoppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
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Just for info - got the Finals for CSCC at Oulton over the Bank Holiday weekend and there are over 300 entries....


Should be a pdf attached
And let's think why CSCC works - which it undoubtedly does .

- 40minute races , so two drivers can share car and costs

- multi class races - no spec nonsense - so even the Mag Sevens feature not only 'real' Caterhams , but you can run an MK Indy or a Westfield , and you can run Duratec, K , Sigma or bike engine (etc)

- massive diversity of cars - from Smarts to Corvettes , Meganes to Cortinas, TVRs to Civics - and from 50s to noughties

- winner penalty . I am not keen on any handicapping but have to admit it works here

- no championship. Just busy racing weekends

Meanwhile, despite the obvious lessons from the above , I'm sure some idiot is already planning yet another single make series for 2020. It will only get 6 entries for its first race (despite the volume of PR hype ) and by September it'll be down to three and it'll finally sink beneath the waves before December ...
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Old 17 May 2019, 07:29 (Ref:3904294)   #47
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andy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridandy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
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And let's think why CSCC works - which it undoubtedly does .

- 40minute races , so two drivers can share car and costs

- multi class races - no spec nonsense - so even the Mag Sevens feature not only 'real' Caterhams , but you can run an MK Indy or a Westfield , and you can run Duratec, K , Sigma or bike engine (etc)

- massive diversity of cars - from Smarts to Corvettes , Meganes to Cortinas, TVRs to Civics - and from 50s to noughties

- winner penalty . I am not keen on any handicapping but have to admit it works here

- no championship. Just busy racing weekends

Meanwhile, despite the obvious lessons from the above , I'm sure some idiot is already planning yet another single make series for 2020. It will only get 6 entries for its first race (despite the volume of PR hype ) and by September it'll be down to three and it'll finally sink beneath the waves before December ...
Should point out that in most cases the diversity of cars is managed so that Smarts arenít in the same race as the Corvettes, or the Meganeís in the same race as the Cortina's! They are sperated by eras - 60s, 70s etc

Plus, one big thing is that driving standards are good and well policed, and the club is well rum.
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Old 17 May 2019, 09:48 (Ref:3904321)   #48
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- winner penalty . I am not keen on any handicapping but have to admit it works here
Personally I think that is one of the reasons why it so successful. A mate of mine has just signed up in preference to the MSV TT series because of that rule.

In series with very open technical regs it can easily be dominated by those with the biggest cheque books and resources without a rule like that.

IMO that's what kills a lot of series of. Someone comes in and dominates, the club either changes the rules which sees a lot of people get the hump and leave or they leave things as they are and the cost of competing goes up and up with the "bottom" end leaving.

I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to win a plastic trophy and then brag about it on their social media accounts often when the car they are driving is four times more expensive than the others in class.

Sorry bit of a rant there!
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Old 17 May 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3904322)   #49
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No, no - you are absolutely right.


My inner purist raises its snooty eyebrows at the very idea of handicaps. BoP and weight penalty.


But my inner pragmatist acknowledges that , in practice, the CSCC model works really well .
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Old 18 May 2019, 11:38 (Ref:3904497)   #50
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The problem you have though is try and get any speccy anywhere interested in watching a 40 minute race at a club meeting.

AS I say, it should be free, great idea doing that for drivers, and let's face it these meetings exists SOLELY for them. But expecting people to pay and watch that all day is stupid really.

Yes, some folk will be happy, but then again people watch trains, airliners, stand at trucks parks and watch lorries.

Talking of Smarts, I watched a race at Mallory last year where they were allowed and to be honest it was ludicrous, they were mobile chicanes and made the racing extremely dangerous. I am all for people getting out there, but let's be serious here, that is not racing, that is desperation.
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Old 18 May 2019, 16:48 (Ref:3904531)   #51
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The Smarts are a hoot and the drivers I've spoken to love racing them. If 2CVs race , as they do , and Citroen C1s then why not? Flames on overrun and they sound like an infant Porsche 935 .
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