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Old 22 May 2019, 22:00 (Ref:3905289)   #226
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I'm going to guess conditions were not the same given the 6 second difference at Spa this year.

actually gt3 of gt300 have always been a bit faster than WEC gte during the years.... my bet is that japanese teams know better the track and know how to set-up better their cars.
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Old 22 May 2019, 22:09 (Ref:3905291)   #227
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But that much faster given the same cars?? That seems like a bit less setup than something else on the car. It's not like there are slow Am drivers in the GTE cars.
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Old 22 May 2019, 22:15 (Ref:3905292)   #228
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Canaglia's post #221 says it well with the correct summation---if GT3 could run at GTE levels, it would cost GTE money and most fo the teams would go to GT4 or whatever was a step down where they could afford to be competitive.

Yet it's been reported that the best way to go GTE racing with a 488 is buy a 488 GT3 and get the GTE upgrade kit. That's reportedly actually cheaper than buying a 488 GTE.
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Old 22 May 2019, 22:53 (Ref:3905297)   #229
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A GT3 car ran in SuperGT spec
GT300 is an official SRO category, it doesn't get much more GT3. Just the only open tire GT3 pretty much anywhere.

Last year GTE was faster than GT300, but this year's spring Fuji pole was like .013 faster than last year's fastest GTE lap. But that's just qualifying, the race fastest lap was a second slower than last fall's for GTE, but last spring's drier spring race had a GT300 fastest lap better than that. In general they seem quite close and are swung by conditions. That's at Fuji however, which as a power circuit perhaps better favors GT3 cars than some other tracks would.

That 6s around Spa last year? That only exists in qualifying. GTE was 3 seconds faster in qualifying than the race while in Blancpain the fastest race laps were within almost half a second of qualifying, presumably in large part because they don't have the tire selection the GTE teams do. Plus a little happy hour. So that really only gives you 4 seconds around a long track with a lot of turns, which you can fairly realistically account for from tire differences.
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Old 23 May 2019, 00:49 (Ref:3905309)   #230
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Yet it's been reported that the best way to go GTE racing with a 488 is buy a 488 GT3 and get the GTE upgrade kit. That's reportedly actually cheaper than buying a 488 GTE.
And yet it's still more money than a GT3 car is all the comparison is useless. Unless you're trying to discuss pricing strategies then maybe we would have something but AMR hasn't said their package is cheaper buying a GT3 and the upgrade. Or at least that I've seen. And I'm guessing it's not an easy swap to make your GTE car, and time is money. It might be cheaper in cash to Ferrari but what's your team's time worth? If your Risi and someone is buying a Ferrari for you as a collector, well then options are great and they can get lots of race history. Unless it goes in to the wall at LM and then not so much
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Old 23 May 2019, 07:21 (Ref:3905329)   #231
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GT300 is an official SRO category, it doesn't get much more GT3. Just the only open tire GT3 pretty much anywhere.

Last year GTE was faster than GT300, but this year's spring Fuji pole was like .013 faster than last year's fastest GTE lap. But that's just qualifying, the race fastest lap was a second slower than last fall's for GTE, but last spring's drier spring race had a GT300 fastest lap better than that. In general they seem quite close and are swung by conditions. That's at Fuji however, which as a power circuit perhaps better favors GT3 cars than some other tracks would.

That 6s around Spa last year? That only exists in qualifying. GTE was 3 seconds faster in qualifying than the race while in Blancpain the fastest race laps were within almost half a second of qualifying, presumably in large part because they don't have the tire selection the GTE teams do. Plus a little happy hour. So that really only gives you 4 seconds around a long track with a lot of turns, which you can fairly realistically account for from tire differences.

agree, BES gt3 and gte laptimes can't be compared because BES cars use pirelli, basically the worst available racing tires...


cars in gt-open use michelin customers spec compound and are 3 seconds faster than BES at spa.
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Old 23 May 2019, 07:32 (Ref:3905331)   #232
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Yet it's been reported that the best way to go GTE racing with a 488 is buy a 488 GT3 and get the GTE upgrade kit. That's reportedly actually cheaper than buying a 488 GTE.

let's say it's a clever way to take part at le mans and gt3 series with the same chassis, considering the evo kit is reasonable cheap (about 20.000).
Anyway big issue is that 488 gt3 is however a very expensive car, the most expensive along new vantage gt3 if am I not wrong.

Aside that, if you're not under the AF corse umbrella, forget to receive support from the factory....

basically the exact reasons that made lambo huracan the gt3 best seller of the recent years. Competitive price tag, amateur friendly and easier to set-up, decent support from the factory for everyone.
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Old 23 May 2019, 11:16 (Ref:3905349)   #233
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I see no reason for GTE to exist. Factories spending huge amounts of money to make a car which goes only a little faster and looks essentially identical to one which can be bought off the shelf is insane.

Allowing factory-supported/run teams to enter WEC/Le Mans with GT3 cars immediately boosts grid variety, reduces costs and goes some way to simplifying global sportscar racing.
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Old 23 May 2019, 14:48 (Ref:3905375)   #234
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GTE/GTLM exists so factories can have a class in which to compete against other factories ...

And those street cars ... i doubt most of them would last a sprint race, and forget a serious endurance race.

In some cases the GTE versions have less power ... but they are race cars. They can run at sprint speed for 24 hours, they can protect the drivers in high-speed crashes, they are designed so major components can be changed or repaired at high speed .... A street-legal, showroom-stock 488 couldn't keep up with a GT3 or GTE at all.

Also ... GTE cars are built to controlled specs so manufacturers know they will have a fair playing field---whether an oversized boat like the BMW or an everyman's car like the Corvette, or a serious sports car like the Ferrari.
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Old 23 May 2019, 19:13 (Ref:3905407)   #235
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By 'off the shelf' I meant GT3 cars, not street cars. Sorry for being unclear. I promise I do understand the difference between a race car and a road car! :-)

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GTE/GTLM exists so factories can have a class in which to compete against other factories ...
MTEK run BMW's factory cars, Ganassi run Ford's factory cars in WEC. WRT and Black Falcon (for example) run Audi/AMG GT3s with factory support in Spa and Nurburgring 24s. There's effectively no difference. The 'factory' largely or entirely outsources the running of the cars.

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Also ... GTE cars are built to controlled specs so manufacturers know they will have a fair playing field---whether an oversized boat like the BMW or an everyman's car like the Corvette, or a serious sports car like the Ferrari.
It still takes BOP to equalise them. GT3 homologation/BOP achieves exactly the same end result.

I do see a point in manufacturers getting to race their GT race cars against each other. I just don't think that needs to the the extra expense and complication of a GTE when using GT3s could achieve the exact same thing with less cost and more variety.
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Dempsey Proton confirmed for 2 cars in GTE Am again.

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Old 24 May 2019, 14:17 (Ref:3905500)   #237
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I've got a general question, has the deadline for entries passed already? and if so when do we see the list?
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DSC have made references to there being a list, but I don't know if the ACO have officially published it yet.
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Don't get too excited, it was a 10kg increase in weight.
Never mind all that, Zyteks getting yet another weight break against AER makes no sense really
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Yes, a couple of days ago.
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