[BTCC] Round Seven, Snetterton 13-14 Aug, Races 19,20&21

[thetool]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Interesting tweet from Crees:

"All I can say is that it’s embarrassing ? #btcc"

Presumably refering to the fact that as a BTCC driver of now 2.5 years experience, it's not great for his reputation that he's consistently behind another driver in his debut touring car season.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

reminder , would be emabrrasing if they take each other out or hold each other and let Tingram grab another win

I get that - just not sure why nearly four months after the miscommunicaion was dealt with, it's still a laughing matter?

Guess my sense of humour differs wildly though. I personally find no comedy in teams having to manage their intra-team competition.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Evantra

As a question, is there much point in changing back though? Assuming the 01 chassis is good condition.

I guess the main reason would be to put #01 back into storage.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by thetool

Presumably refering to the fact that as a BTCC driver of now 2.5 years experience, it's not great for his reputation that he's consistently behind another driver in his debut touring car season.

I wonder. They've been super close all season, it's not like he's being thrashed. He's far exceeded my expectations anyway.

For someone with such a happy, jokey image, it's an unusual comment to come from him. Perhaps some stuff going on behind the scenes, maybe all is not well in the team.

Admittedly I'm not sure what engine they use, could it be a complaint about a lack of speed like BTC?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Interesting tweet from Crees:

"All I can say is that it’s embarrassing ? #btcc"

Seems to be referring to the M-Sport engine performance compared to other units?

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I get that - just not sure why nearly four months after the miscommunicaion was dealt with, it's still a laughing matter?

Guess my sense of humour differs wildly though. I personally find no comedy in teams having to manage their intra-team competition.

why must you be such a black hole for any kind of humor and fun ?

intra-team rivalry is something FUN and should be encouraged , otherwise you have complete void coorporate drones landscape or you really think for example if Senna and Prost would have hold hands together they would have been so legendary as they are today ? or say Yvan Muller and Plato

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Seems to be referring to the M-Sport engine performance compared to other units?

I’d agree. Some related comments from Plato today as well in his interviews on the BTCC webpage. Anything with an M-Sport engine seems to be struggling…

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

for example if Senna and Prost would have hold hands together they would have been so legendary as they are today ? or say Yvan Muller and Plato

Interesting, absolutely.
Entertaining, definitely.

But, I didn't find either of those rivalries something to laugh about or funny either.

[hen henths]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Arguably he's had better results in the old car that he had at the start of the year in the new car.

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone (and we all know who) posts a load of stats to prove/disprove that.

That's OK, I like stats! They aren't everything, but they can make for some interesting talking points and sometimes show us patterns we might not have been aware of. I welcome anyone (with the usual caveats) who can bring new information on the BTCC or shed new light on the information available. We might not agree with the conclusions drawn but at least it gives us something to talk about.

[S griffin]

Stats are fine, although I prefer what actually happens in the race. Stats don't tell the full story, although they can act as a good guide. There's plenty of data behind the BTCC. However we shouldn't let it affect our enjoyment of the series

[SSmith]

Quotes from Autosport article: "Cook bemoans “heartbreaking” failures in BTCC Snetterton qualifying".

"Cook told Autosport that ongoing work from BTC has improved the installation, as well as the chassis, which is already renowned as one of the best in the BTCC, but that simultaneous – and unrelated – failures of the throttle body and hybrid system had scuppered his qualifying effort."

"Plato’s estimation is that the BTC Hondas are still lacking 5mph on straightline speed compared to their opposition.
“My performance today was pole position perfect if we had an engine that works,” he said, “and it simply doesn’t.
“I’m really pleased with my car and the team did a brilliant job, but I won’t be able to race.
“Once I’m near someone, they slow me in the corners and that’s where we’re good – based on our data, no one’s going through them better than we are.”"

Answers a couple of q's from yesterday.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by SSmith

“My performance today was pole position perfect if we had an engine that works,” he said, “and it simply doesn’t.

And if I had wings, I could fly.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Arguably he's had better results in the old car that he had at the start of the year in the new car.

That's true - his results have improved since getting back into #01 this season.
But statistically, #06 was getting better results than in any previous season that #01 was used.

Though I don't think stats tell the whole story - the other factor to remember is that the car has been used at Croft and Knockhill. Typically places that you would expect to see better results for a RWD car.

The main thing is that the car does not belong to WSR - so you would expect that as soon as #06 is ready to run again, #01 will be put back into storage. Unless there is a superstitious reason to continue?

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The main thing is that the car does not belong to WSR - so you would expect that as soon as #06 is ready to run again, #01 will be put back into storage. Unless there is a superstitious reason to continue?

why bother ? he might as well finish the season in 001 , it's not as if Colin would refuse to allow to run in 001 when he has a very serious title challenge now

imagine having to rebuild 006 or just scrap it and build a new 007 then having to remove hybrid from 001 and put it back the way it was before ... to much hassle now

[GCCheddaris]

Love the brown and yellow stripes on the dry grass at Snetterton

[porsche962fan]

such a cheap move bringing up safety car

Cook outside of points now

[Robshillito1990]

Btcc 2022 biggest flop in years. Hybrid not working. Crap msport engine letting top teams and drivers down and toca seemingly not bothered by either of these things.

[porsche962fan]

yet more brokem toe links...

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

such a cheap move bringing up safety car

Cook outside of points now

Cheap move? For a car stranded in a dangerous position?

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Btcc 2022 biggest flop in years. Hybrid not working. Crap msport engine letting top teams and drivers down and toca seemingly not bothered by either of these things.

Fair enough, then don't watch and leave us all to it.

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

yet more brokem toe links...

Never going to prevent toe links breaking though

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Cheap move? For a car stranded in a dangerous position?

But they're leaving Moffat's there?!

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Fair enough, then don't watch and leave us all to it.

Oh yeah sorry not allowed an opinion on this forum unless you agree with everyone else

[thetool]

Originally Posted by Evantra

But they're leaving Moffat's there?!

It wouldn't be the first time a car has been left in a precarious position to ensure a race doesn't finish under the safety car.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Fair enough, then don't watch and leave us all to it.

doesn't it bother you if someone doesn't like aspects of it ?