2022-2023 Silly Season Thread

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

thats the assumption i to am curious about. unfortunately the extreme nature of a driver buyout suggest to me that they dont know what the problem is.

all things being equal tho, one could surmise OP will be on a low rookie level retainer and a buyout for DR would be similar to wage he would have gotten in 2023...so from Mclaren's point of view they would have been out this money either way but this way they can develop a new driver, one who may bring in points similar if not more to the underperforming driver he is replacing, at the same time.

if i was a more optimistic person then this is a win win.

guess im just not that optimistic about this.

DR will only get the full pay out if he sits out 2023. If he wants to drive for another F1 team he’ll have to compromise.

[GreenMachine]

Originally Posted by peebee2

DR will only get the full pay out if he sits out 2023. If he wants to drive for another F1 team he’ll have to compromise.

Not 'compromise'.

I think the maths will work this way: If the agreement is that he gets (say) $x to quit McL, and he gets to drive somewhere (Team A) for $y, Macca pay $x-y, Team A pay y, DR gets $x. Win-Win-Win.

But who really knows, not me!

[peebee2]

It just doesn’t work like that. I used the word compromise very deliberately.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Not 'compromise'.

I think the maths will work this way: If the agreement is that he gets (say) $x to quit McL, and he gets to drive somewhere (Team A) for $y, Macca pay $x-y, Team A pay y, DR gets $x. Win-Win-Win.

But who really knows, not me!

For sure other sports do it this way but they usually have some sort of mechanisms or agreement which prevents the departing player from signing with the next team for only $1.

No collective bargaining agreement or similar in f1 as far as I know but there may be a buyout clause in his contract…in which case there is no need to compromise. They already did that when they agreed to terms.

You are right though, we don’t really know about these details…which is also unusual for sports at this level. Kinda ridiculous really.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

thats the assumption i to am curious about. unfortunately the extreme nature of a driver buyout suggest to me that they dont know what the problem is.

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Given the difficulties with the car go back as far as Sainz, who joked with Riccardo about it, and that they have not even developed to Lando's driving style says to me they don't know what the problem is.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by sizzle

Given the difficulties with the car go back as far as Sainz, who joked with Riccardo about it, and that they have not even developed to Lando's driving style says to me they don't know what the problem is.

...or that they just have new problems.....

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by sizzle

Given the difficulties with the car go back as far as Sainz, who joked with Riccardo about it, and that they have not even developed to Lando's driving style says to me they don't know what the problem is.

Every F1 car is difficult to drive on the limit.Ever hear Max on the radio?Or Lewis on the radio?
I think Carlos’s comments were meant as a humorous dig at Daniel and the difficulties he was having.Remember how well Carlos went in a McLaren.The Dan Fans have hung onto the comments like they are gospel.

[S griffin]

Seems this McLaren/Piastri/Alpine story will drag on for quite some time. So we'll have to wait a while for any official annoucement

[Sandgroper]

Well might be an interesting F1 weekend comming up.
Alot of whispers I would expect.

Did I read Danny Ric commented that he would make comments regarding his current contract / drive prior to the weekends event.

[Sandgroper]

CONFIRMED: Now where does he pop up Alpine or Haas ?????

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/08/25...-mclaren-exit/

[bjohnsonsmith]

Does this mean Colton Herta will join McLaren next year?

[BTCC frog]

I predict for next season:

Red Bull - Max Verstappen / Sergio Perez
Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton / George Russell
Ferrari - Charles Leclerc / Carlos Sainz
Alpine - Esteban Ocon / Daniel Ricciardo
McLaren - Lando Norris / Oscar Piastri
Alfa Romeo - Valtteri Bottas / Zhou Guanyu
Haas - Kevin Magnussen / Mick Schumacher
Alpha Tauri - Pierre Gasly / Yuki Tsunoda
Aston Martin - Fernando Alonso / Lance Stroll
Williams - Alexander Albon / Nyck De Vries

The main question marks remaining are the second Alpine and second Williams, while the second Haas and Alpha Tauri are also not guaranteed. I really hope Schumacher stays, although it sounds as though that is far from certain.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Does this mean Colton Herta will join McLaren next year?

I think they are just not going to announce Piastri until things are resolved with Alpine. But who knows maybe Herta is in the mix, but I sort of doubt he is their #1 choice of the options on the table. I would love to see Herta get the seat.

Its a game of musical chairs. Sometimes it is fast, sometimes slow. I think the Piastri/Alpine and Ricciardo/McLaren contract drama has slowed down what otherwise could have been a quick succession of announcements.

Richard

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

I predict for next season:

Red Bull - Max Verstappen / Sergio Perez
Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton / George Russell
Ferrari - Charles Leclerc / Carlos Sainz
Alpine - Esteban Ocon / Daniel Ricciardo
McLaren - Lando Norris / Oscar Piastri
Alfa Romeo - Valtteri Bottas / Zhou Guanyu
Haas - Kevin Magnussen / Mick Schumacher
Alpha Tauri - Pierre Gasly / Yuki Tsunoda
Aston Martin - Fernando Alonso / Lance Stroll
Williams - Alexander Albon / Nyck De Vries

The main question marks remaining are the second Alpine and second Williams, while the second Haas and Alpha Tauri are also not guaranteed. I really hope Schumacher stays, although it sounds as though that is far from certain.

Hard to argue against any of this.

Richard

[Richard C]

Potential for Giovinazzi in Haas next year? Haas planning to run him in FP1. I assume to see how he compares to current drivers.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...vzZl6nRr6.html

As mentioned in posts above, Schumacher's seat is not secure.

Richard

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Potential for Giovinazzi in Haas next year? Haas planning to run him in FP1. I assume to see how he compares to current drivers.

Nothing personal against him, but I hope this isn't an interview for 2023 - he's had his chance.
Having said that, I don't see the point testing someone unless they're paying for it, or you're evaluating them for a seat.

[S griffin]

No surprise Danny is on his way out of McLaren. He's still a very good driver, but it just doesn't seem to be working out. It's a shame because he seemed to have turned a corner in the second half of last year. Maybe he'll do the same this time?

I can see his options for 2023 being Alpine, depending on the Piastri situation or Haas

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by S griffin

No surprise Danny is on his way out of McLaren. He's still a very good driver, but it just doesn't seem to be working out. It's a shame because he seemed to have turned a corner in the second half of last year. Maybe he'll do the same this time?

I can see his options for 2023 being Alpine, depending on the Piastri situation or Haas

I reckon a straight swap with Piastri, with McLaren still paying DR's wages, so Alpine get a free driver.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

I reckon a straight swap with Piastri, with McLaren still paying DR's wages, so Alpine get a free driver.

Word is Mclaren paid Riccardo 10Million, but if another team employs him, they pay him that less any wage he gets for the year.

EG- Alpine hire him for 7m, Mclaren only pay 3m.

Only a rumour though so as with all this, no clue if theres really any foundation to it

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Word is Mclaren paid Riccardo 10Million, but if another team employs him, they pay him that less any wage he gets for the year.

EG- Alpine hire him for 7m, Mclaren only pay 3m.

Only a rumour though so as with all this, no clue if theres really any foundation to it

£20 nearer the mark

[chavez]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

£20 nearer the mark

He'd struggled to get a decent steak and chips for that.

[Sandgroper]

So are we assuming Alpine being more competitive than Haas (if available for Danny Ric)

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

So are we assuming Alpine being more competitive than Haas (if available for Danny Ric)

Yes. Haas ditched any development last year to focus on the car for this year. Given their ongoing small budget I'd expect Alpine to be a far better prospect for the future.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Yes. Haas ditched any development last year to focus on the car for this year. Given their ongoing small budget I'd expect Alpine to be a far better prospect for the future.

That was my thought and Alpine have acutally been rather competitive against Mclaren this year.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

I reckon a straight swap with Piastri, with McLaren still paying DR's wages, so Alpine get a free driver.

Zero chance of that financially. The only way McLaren pay full whack is if DR doesn’t drive.