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View Poll Results: Who will win Bathurst in 2019
#2 Pye/Luff WAU Mobil1 Holden 1 1.89%
#3 Jacobson/Fiore KR Rabble Nissan 0 0%
#5 Holdsworth/Randle Tickford Bottle O Ford 0 0%
#6 Waters/Caruso Tickford Monster Energy Ford 0 0%
#7 Heimgartner/Fullwood KR Plus Fitness Nissan 1 1.89%
#8 Percat/Blanchard BJR BJR Holden 0 0%
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus Penrite Holden 5 9.43%
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP Shell Ford 0 0%
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR Freightliner Holden 0 0%
#15 Kelly/Wood KR Castrol Nissan 0 0%
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP Shell Ford 12 22.64%
#18 Winterbottom/Richards Team18 Irwin Holden 0 0%
#19 LeBrocq/Webb Tekno Truck Assist Holden 0 0%
#21 Jones/Canto BJR CoolDrive Holden 1 1.89%
#22 Courtney/Perkins WAU Mobil1 Holden 0 0%
#23 Davison/Davison 23Red Milwaulkee Ford 1 1.89%
#27 Hinchcliffe/Rossi WAU Napa Auto Parts Holden 0 0%
#33 Stanaway/Pither GRM Boost Mobile Holden 1 1.89%
#34 Golding/Muscat GRM Boost Mobile Holden 0 0%
#35 Hazelwood/Smith MSR SP Tools Holden 1 1.89%
#55 Mostert/Moffat Tickford SuperCheap Auto Ford 2 3.77%
#56 Kostecki/Kostecki KBR Boost Mobile Holden 0 0%
#78 de Silvestro/Rullo KR Harvey Norman Nissan 1 1.89%
#97 Van Gisbergen/Tander RBHRT Red Bull Holden 14 26.42%
#99 de Pasquale/Brown Erebus Penrite Holden 1 1.89%
#111 Evans/Van Der Drift TKR TKR Holden (SCRATCHED) 2 3.77%
#888 Whincup/Lowndes RBHRT Red Bull Holden 10 18.87%
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Old 14 Sep 2019, 05:46 (Ref:3927845)   #1
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[VASC19R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000, Mount Panorama 10-13th October (WITH POLL)

The biggest race of the year; the SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000!

Will the DJR Team Penske Mustangs take a step up and take the win after a few podiums and a stonking pole position from the old FGX Falcon? With popular prince of the Mountain that is Mr. Craig Lowndes putting the helmet and suit back on for the race Enduro Cup season, will we see if he has lost none of his touch or if being retired from full time driving has dented his pace. Will Erebus shake off their last stint drama's and get redemption with David Reynolds? We will have to watch and find out.

As for yours truly, I'll be at the Mountain as a punter and giving some mates a helping hand. So if anyone wants to meet the human behind the Razor nameplate, chuck me a PM and we can organise a catch up. (Beers may flow)

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Old 14 Sep 2019, 07:02 (Ref:3927850)   #2
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Ford wins Bathurst....
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Old 14 Sep 2019, 07:56 (Ref:3927855)   #3
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What happened to Sandown?

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Old 16 Sep 2019, 22:43 (Ref:3928420)   #4
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Ford wins Bathurst....
One should hope so, or the Nissan. It would be a travesty if the Commodore with 40kg extra downforce wins with it's unfair advantage.

By all implications it means the Commodore has an unfair 40kg more downforce than the other cars, since it had matching downforce on the original VCAT test. If it matched before, and you then add more... yikes.
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Old 16 Sep 2019, 23:53 (Ref:3928429)   #5
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One should hope so, or the Nissan. It would be a travesty if the Commodore with 40kg extra downforce wins with it's unfair advantage.

By all implications it means the Commodore has an unfair 40kg more downforce than the other cars, since it had matching downforce on the original VCAT test. If it matched before, and you then add more... yikes.
Dont forget the Holden appears to have alot less drag than the Ford and the Nissan. Suspect that the Commodores will drive away up and down the hill and therefore be impossible to overtake.
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By all implications it means the Commodore has an unfair 40kg more downforce than the other cars, since it had matching downforce on the original VCAT test. If it matched before, and you then add more... yikes.
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Dont forget the Holden appears to have alot less drag than the Ford and the Nissan. Suspect that the Commodores will drive away up and down the hill and therefore be impossible to overtake.
Would you two idiots get your story straight?

If the Commodore has 40kg more downforce, then it has more drag.

If it has more drag, it can't be impossible to overtake.

Honestly you need an extra ******* to pull bullshit from, I think you've cleared your own.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:49 (Ref:3928453)   #7
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Would you two idiots get your story straight?

If the Commodore has 40kg more downforce, then it has more drag.

If it has more drag, it can't be impossible to overtake.

Honestly you need an extra ******* to pull bullshit from, I think you've cleared your own.
That the Commodore has more downforce than before does not have to mean it has more drag than the Mustang/Altima.

But thanks for the abuse.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:50 (Ref:3928454)   #8
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Would you two idiots get your story straight?

If the Commodore has 40kg more downforce, then it has more drag.

If it has more drag, it can't be impossible to overtake.

Honestly you need an extra ******* to pull bullshit from, I think you've cleared your own.
Nailed it.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 02:59 (Ref:3928777)   #9
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The Commodores seem to have had a straight-line advantage for much of the year, the little I saw of Pukekohe didn't indicate a change.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 03:58 (Ref:3928788)   #10
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The Commodores seem to have had a straight-line advantage for much of the year, the little I saw of Pukekohe didn't indicate a change.
Probably because of the Mustang with the jumbo wing punching a hole in the air in front!

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Old 19 Sep 2019, 04:36 (Ref:3928793)   #11
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Quick history recap: the Mustang's "jumbo wing" was the first thing the parity police took away - just weeks after the same organisation approved it.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 04:58 (Ref:3928796)   #12
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Just, the end plates, "champ"
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 04:59 (Ref:3928797)   #13
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So... who is the second driver in #888 when Mr Whincup is censured?
Or will Mr Dane be in the Supreme Court as fast as a Shell Mustang to injunct the race and claim damages from CAMS?

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Old 19 Sep 2019, 05:17 (Ref:3928799)   #14
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Just, the end plates, "champ"
Rear wing end plates, and the gurney flap; Mixup.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 05:40 (Ref:3928801)   #15
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Gee, if holden win bathurst i hope there are lots of jeers and calls of cheating when they are on the podium.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 05:45 (Ref:3928802)   #16
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It appears to have been tilted in their favour, possibly because the championship looks to be out of their reach.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 06:12 (Ref:3928806)   #17
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So... who is the second driver in #888 when Mr Whincup is censured?
Or will Mr Dane be in the Supreme Court as fast as a Shell Mustang to injunct the race and claim damages from CAMS?

Messy..
Supreme court?? Whincup will be at Bathurst. Roland and CAMS will do some sort of deal where, at worst, they'll take championship points off him. They've done it before when a factory Holden driver was supposed to be suspended for Bathurst.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 09:08 (Ref:3928835)   #18
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It appears to have been tilted in their favour, possibly because the championship looks to be out of their reach.
Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.
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Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.
Even if it is one that was tried tested and approved by the relevant authorities as the introduction of the new car progressed through development. It also passes every event scrutineering week in week out.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 09:17 (Ref:3928838)   #20
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Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.
They built a car in accordance to the then-current rule book.

Perhaps you'd be happier if they'd taken the Holden approach, and used a FWD 4 cylinder hatchback, like for example say the Mondeo, slapped a Falcon badge on it, and deemed it to be a 'supercar'?
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Penske built a car that exploited the soft rulebook to the limit. Even FPR didn't see the need to exploit it even further by placing weight in the mufflers. The pulling down of the front nose for aero only, side skirts and a rear wing setup that had never been seen before. Angled bottom wing plate with a turnup as apposed to flat used in the other two cars. Supercar have egg on their face as that mustang should never been signed off. It was a rocket ship, after seeing the first photo's I said no way you must be kidding they can't run that. That was without even knowing the COG numbers.
Changes for next year? I want to see the aero cut right back on all the cars. let's get back to the fastest driver in the best teams running at the front and with more passing. And not drivers looking way better than the are just by the car they drive.
PS good to see FPR pulling the DJR car back in too, time they stepped up.
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Even FPR didn't see the need to exploit it even further by placing weight in the mufflers.
This measure was thought up in 2018 in order to counter the unfair advantage of the ZB Commodore over the FGX Falcon and Altima. Why would you then undevelop, a then-legal development you already made!?

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And not drivers looking way better than the are just by the car they drive.
Lol. It has been clear that McLaughlin is one of the finest drivers since 2013 when McLaughlin won two races in a GRM VE Commodore and finished 10th in the championship in his rookie season. A far cry from Whincup's backmarker efforts in his rookie season in a similar GRM Commodore...
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So... who is the second driver in #888 when Mr Whincup is censured?
Or will Mr Dane be in the Supreme Court as fast as a Shell Mustang to injunct the race and claim damages from CAMS?

Messy..
I'll eat my hat if Whincup isnt at Bathurst. Eugene Arocca is looking for a bit of street-cred via tough talk, but you couldnt take the bloke seriously given his track record.
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This measure was thought up in 2018 in order to counter the unfair advantage of the ZB Commodore over the FGX Falcon and Altima. Why would you then undevelop, a then-legal development you already made!?
The supposed advantage that DJR told everyone there was. The FGX that came second in 2017 in the last race of the year and won a year later. If there was an advantage it was not on the same planet to this years mustang.
And you know it.
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I wasn't talking about just Scott. Scott is good very good, but he doesn't walk on water or turn water into wine. All the hot air sounds a bit like the young wonder boy CL who went to Europe to race open wheelers and was going to set the world on fire, he'll be our next F1 driver. How did that all go? Brock didn't set the world on fire out Australia either did he. people get carried away sometimes. Scott maybe a great one day, but he isn't yet.
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