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Old 14 Dec 2017, 14:20 (Ref:3787039)   #1
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the grid girl debate

It looks like the removal of Grid Girls is being considered as a future change to the sport....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42346331
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 14:26 (Ref:3787041)   #2
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It looks like the removal of Grid Girls is being considered as a future change to the sport....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42346331
There's also a poll that accompanies that article with 60% in favour of keeping Grid Girls and 40% against, thus far.
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 18:28 (Ref:3787086)   #3
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It looks like the removal of Grid Girls is being considered as a future change to the sport....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42346331
The article does a pretty good job of summing up the issues with grid girls.

The times, they are a changin!

About a year or so ago, my local car club had a knock-down-drag-out online fight about grid girls. Our award ceremonies are generally just a bunch of people standing around as someone reads the results at the end of the event! But at larger events in the past we had some podium girls. If I remember correctly it was an anniversary year for us, so people were posting photos from older events on our Facebook page. Photos which included podium girls.

That triggered a furor of condemnation by a segment of our members in that they felt the photos were inappropriate and that the usage of the models was wrong. The fight within our club that lasted for many days. I believe positions on the topic had a strong correlation to the age of the individual.

While that was awhile back, we also have here in the US (to be honest, I don't have a good view as to how much of this is playing out globally) the watershed "#MeToo" moment. So anything that smacks of misogyny is a hot potato right now. And for some grid girls could be the poster child for that.

Given F1 is a world series, and that views globally on what is "acceptable" are probably all over the place, I think no single answer is going to satisfy everyone for sure! With that said... I expect the days of grid girls are numbered regardless of your individual opinion on the topic.

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Old 14 Dec 2017, 19:18 (Ref:3787093)   #4
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But this isn't something for F1 to rule on surely. It's the local sponsors/promotors that arrange and hire the event "promotional personnel".

Personally, I think that if someone regardless of gender, wants to earn money by holding a grid number or national flag at an event then that should be their choice.

I would say however that if a "uniform" is required, it should be appropriate to the event, audience and weather conditions.
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 19:23 (Ref:3787095)   #5
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last year, i was ambivalent towards grid girls. whatever, they're making bank and it makes men look pretty pathetic for not being able to appreciate a sport without some trophy women parading around.

this year i'm the exact opposite. i've seen so many little girls watching me and other girls doing hands-on jobs working alongside the guys this year. when i was growing up the only jobs that i saw women doing in f1 was being a press officer, making the tea, being a wife, or being a grid girl. now little girls growing up can see women in pretty much every single area of the sport, doing pretty much every job out there for different teams. if seeing me work has made even one young woman broaden her potential career path then that's awesome.

it counters the idea that to get close to the sport otherwise you have to be tall, skinny, attractive and wear more makeup than all of little mix put together.
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 19:28 (Ref:3787096)   #6
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I am certainly of the older generation, yet I have felt for many years that the grid and podium girls were inappropriate. And they are usually made to dress in a way that is provocative in my eyes.

And the stupidity of it is that they do not add any value to the racing, which is what it should be all about. Just like all the glitz, glamour and "celebrity" on show on the grid prior to the start of the race.

I don't get this whole business about a F1 weekend being about the "show". The show should be 24 or even more cars/drivers all racing to win a gruelling race.

But then I'm just an old fart!
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But this isn't something for F1 to rule on surely. It's the local sponsors/promotors that arrange and hire the event "promotional personnel".

Personally, I think that if someone regardless of gender, wants to earn money by holding a grid number or national flag at an event then that should be their choice.

I would say however that if a "uniform" is required, it should be appropriate to the event, audience and weather conditions.
I think in the article, the bosses of Silverstone say that it is not their call - but a requirement of the series?


'Individual grands prix cannot opt out of F1's use of 'grid girls'.

Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle says his personal view is the practice is "outdated", adding "lycra can stay in the 1970s and 80s for me, I don't want any of that tarty nonsense".

He acknowledges "very smartly presented, beautiful ladies" have "added a certain amount of glamour" but added: "Our fans and spectators and customers come to Silverstone and think that because its happening at Silverstone it must be Silverstone's decision as they think quite a lot of it is down to us, when remarkably little is on occasion.

"There is a perception that this is Silverstone's view but actually we think its an egalitarian world and I don't want my daughter growing up thinking that lycra is what she ought to aspire to."'
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have other series not stopped the practice of girls on the grid already? maybe WEC? cant remember which series though.

but enter into a hospitality area and/or a fan zone and you will find any number of girls in spandex outfits promoting products and guys standing in line to take their photos with them.

anyways, this sounds more like a TV/optics issue for the new owners...they are still fine with the practice as long as it is done away from the cameras kind of thing.

agree with Mike... i dont see what value is added by having grid girls or grid guys out there next to the cars.
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this year i'm the exact opposite. i've seen so many little girls watching me and other girls doing hands-on jobs working alongside the guys this year. when i was growing up the only jobs that i saw women doing in f1 was being a press officer, making the tea, being a wife, or being a grid girl. now little girls growing up can see women in pretty much every single area of the sport, doing pretty much every job out there for different teams. if seeing me work has made even one young woman broaden her potential career path then that's awesome.
indeed.

also an important lesson for young boys to see and learn as well!
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He acknowledges "very smartly presented, beautiful ladies" have "added a certain amount of glamour" but added: "Our fans and spectators and customers come to Silverstone and think that because its happening at Silverstone it must be Silverstone's decision as they think quite a lot of it is down to us, when remarkably little is on occasion.

"There is a perception that this is Silverstone's view but actually we think its an egalitarian world and I don't want my daughter growing up thinking that lycra is what she ought to aspire to."'
promising words from mr pringle, but sir, how about you use the commercial freedoms that do exist to supply some "very smartly presented, beautiful" GENTLEMEN as well? they too add a "certain amount of glamour", you know.

if they can find enough beautiful women to stand around holding flags and signs they can find enough beautiful men to fulfil some function on the grid. or lining up the stairs applauding for the tv cameras.

if the concept of "smartly presented [and] beautiful" applies for women it should apply for men too.
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To me a race meeting was always an enjoyable carnival full of interesting people, sights, and of course fast cars.

So yes, let's make the show a little poorer and worse.

Political correctness, wowsers and their cohorts to the fore.

Here is one relationship that would not have happened without grid girls, and a woman's job that will cease to exist with the demise of grid girls.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/...a7baeead589fb2

But hey ho, let the miseries prevail.

May I add

Adriana Stoner
Teresa Earnhardt

Were also originally grid girls, and just entered racing on a pleasant day out, and met their husbands.

Sure there are lots of others too.
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May I add

Adriana Stoner
Teresa Earnhardt

Were also originally grid girls, and just entered racing on a pleasant day out, and met their husbands.

Sure there are lots of others too.
i hope you're being sarcastic.

so your concern in this is men.. no, people getting laid who frankly, in modern times, have no issue getting laid in the first place. it's motorsport, not a dating service. i know a couple of girls who met their partners at the circuit too but they aren't racers or promotions staff.

your examples aren't strictly correct - as far as i recall, adriana was an underage fan when they met at an autograph session. don't need to point out what part of that is a bit weird.

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i hope you're being sarcastic.

so your concern in this is men.. no, people getting laid who frankly, in modern times, have no issue getting laid in the first place. it's motorsport, not a dating service. i know a couple of girls who met their partners at the circuit too but they aren't racers or promotions staff.

your examples aren't strictly correct - as far as i recall, adriana was an underage fan when they met at an autograph session. don't need to point out what part of that is a bit weird.
Not at all.

My concern is that simply because a woman goes to motor racing as a member of the promotional staff, she should not be typecast as such.
Teresa is now the owner and managing director of Dale Earnhardt Incorporated.
Regarding Casey and Adriana, without your characterization of their relationship, he and she obviously thought enough of one another that is was not simply sex, which either of them could have apparently achieved easily enough according to your characterization.

I find it interesting that as soon as a good looking woman comes near a racing circuit people feel it necessary to demean their contribution. Racing is sponsored for promotion of products and the promotional staff are important. They are good for the sport and often stay and contribute a lot beyond their initial involvement.

Why should the social justice warriors and trolls limit the opportunities for women to be involved in the sport?

Glamour attracts glamour, and well presented women bring in more women, all of which is good for motor racing.

Men only environments suck, and anyway of diluting them is good.

Besides you have had all the attractive men in suits, Jean Todt, Bernie, and the Premier of Bananastan clogging up the podiums for years, oh yeah and all the drivers. Don't begrudge us two well turned out women on the podium. They should be allowed to make a living too.

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Why should the social justice warriors and trolls limit the opportunities for women to be involved in the sport?

Glamour attracts glamour, and well presented women bring in more women, all of which is good for motor racing.

Men only environments suck, and anyway of diluting them is good.

Besides you have had all the attractive men in suits, Jean Todt, Bernie, and the Premier of Bananastan clogging up the podiums for years, oh yeah and all the drivers. Don't begrudge us two well turned out women on the podium. They should be allowed to make a living too.

Nobody is saying that F1 and motorsport in general shouldn't try to attract women into the business. What most people with my views believe is that they shouldn't need to be dressed in figure hugging clothes that are designed purely to exaggerate their female attributes. I mean, you didn't and still don't see Claire Williams parading around in Spandex/Lycra, and she is the top women in F1.

The grid/podium girls are there mainly for males to ogle at, just as were/are the girls used to drape across the bonnets of cars at motor shows. And, in my opinion, it has no place in modern society; in fact, it never did have a place. It is just demeaning to women.
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With so many more females getting involved in motorsport, it don't matter too much. Grid girls ain't an F1 problem. It being hard to follow the car in front, now that's a problem
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