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Old 29 Nov 2015, 21:55 (Ref:3594292)   #61
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That much? They won't catch at all!

Btw, something I noticed is how Fuji delludes us regarding GT500's speeds. It's a very unique layout with a 1.6km straight(SGT have ~100HP more than Porsche LMP1 ICE) and, mostly, slow corners(due to SGT shorter stints, their tires are softer, thus having another advantage there).

At Fuji, GT500's pole record gap to F1 2008 best QLF time is only 10s(113%)

At Suzuka, we don't know exactly how fast an F1 2008 car would be but we can have a good idea based on the F1 2008's typical(in a few tracks the F1 2008s were faster on QLF but most of the time the 2006 ones were faster) QLF gap to F1 2006 being no more than 1s slower. So, a best QLF time, at Suzuka, for an F1 2008 car, can be assumed to be around 1.30.0.

GT500's pole record gap to this lap time is 17.5s(119%)

This can also be corroborated by comparing with exact lap times from Super Formula. At Suzuka, GT500's pole record gap to Super Formula's pole record is 10.5s(111%) while, at Fuji, it's 5s(106%)

This idea of even GT500 being close to LMP1(equal to the LMP1-P while LMP1-H are on Super Formula speed) is wrong! The gap of 5s is only at Fuji, on a normal track(especially one with lot's of high speed corners), LMP1-Hs would trash GT500s even more.
Top speeds in gt500 are a lot slower than lmp1. Even the Rebellion (non hybrid) is over 10kmh faster. GT500 is 1020kg minimum + success ballast minus driver and fuel. Thats 150kg heavier than the factory lmp1's and near 170-180kg heavier than non hybrid lmp1. They shouldnt be that close when you factor that in.
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 01:57 (Ref:3594356)   #62
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Top speeds in gt500 are a lot slower than lmp1. Even the Rebellion (non hybrid) is over 10kmh faster. GT500 is 1020kg minimum + success ballast minus driver and fuel. Thats 150kg heavier than the factory lmp1's and near 170-180kg heavier than non hybrid lmp1. They shouldnt be that close when you factor that in.
Where do you get GT500's top speeds, please?

I heard GT500 have ~640HP and LMP1-P have ~600HP while LMP1-H even less than that on their ICE

GT500 top speed should be higher based on power. If that's not the case, then their drag values are quite worse.

As I said on the previous post, the 5s gap is deceiving because Fuji suits the characteristics of GT500 better. At a place like Suzuka, this gap would be ~10s.
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 04:35 (Ref:3594374)   #63
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So, I heard that the ITR delayed their turbo-charged inline-4 engine until 2019 according to the other thread.

Bandoh-san and GTA don't like this news at all and they're getting agitated by it!
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 05:27 (Ref:3594377)   #64
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So, I heard that the ITR delayed their turbo-charged inline-4 engine until 2019 according to the other thread.

Bandoh-san and GTA don't like this news at all and they're getting agitated by it!
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I hoped Bandoh-san can oppose this
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 07:51 (Ref:3594397)   #65
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Most WEC tracks are much more similar to Fuji than Suzuka anyways. Silverstone and probably Nurburgring being exceptions.

There's other issues as GT500s are much slower in hot weather for the summer Fuji race and the Suzuka 1000 is generally the hottest race of the year while SF and F1 are there early and late in the season when it's cool.
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 10:37 (Ref:3594442)   #66
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Dr. Takamori blog cites the questionnaire results of GTA.
Dr. Takamori is very popular among Japanese fans.
http://ameblo.jp/s-tai/entry-12101225653.html

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2. Juichi Wakisaka
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4. Yuji Tachikawa
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8. J.P de Oliveira
8. Tsugio Matsuda
10. Takuya Izawa
11. Manabu Orido
12. Takashi Kogure
12. Dr. Takamori

Drivers who can succeed in the near future
1. Daiki Sasaki
2. Takuto Iguchi
3. Katsumasa Chiyo
3. Ryo Hirakawa
5. Koudai Tsukakoshi
5. Naoki Yamamoto
7. Yuhi Sekiguchi
8. Juichi Wakisaka
9. Kazuki Hoshino
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11. Yuji Tachikawa
13. Dr. Takamori
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 13:37 (Ref:3594488)   #67
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Favorite drivers
1. Satoshi Motoyama
2. Juichi Wakisaka
3. NOB Taniguchi
4. Yuji Tachikawa
5. Ronnie Quintarelli
6. Naoki Yamamoto
7. Takuto Iguchi
8. J.P de Oliveira
8. Tsugio Matsuda
10. Takuya Izawa
11. Manabu Orido
12. Takashi Kogure
12. Dr. Takamori

Drivers who can succeed in the near future
1. Daiki Sasaki
2. Takuto Iguchi
3. Katsumasa Chiyo
3. Ryo Hirakawa
5. Koudai Tsukakoshi
5. Naoki Yamamoto
7. Yuhi Sekiguchi
8. Juichi Wakisaka
9. Kazuki Hoshino
10. Hiroaki Ishiura
11. Mitsunori Takaboshi
11. Yuji Tachikawa
13. Dr. Takamori
13. Ryuichiro Tomita
13. Hironobu Yasuda
And also...
Favourite drivers
14. Seiji Ara
15. Hiroaki Ishiura
16. Koudai Tsukakoshi
17. Kohei Hirate
18. Kazuki Hoshino
19. Daisuke Nakajima
20. Daisuke Ito
21. Akira Iida

Drivers who can succeed in the near future
14. Noburetu Taniguchi
15. Ryuichiro Tomita
17. Takuya Izawa
18. Tatsuya Kataoka
19. Tomoki Nojiri
20. Kohei Hirate
21. Ronnie Quintarelli
22. Manabu Orido
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Dr. Takamori blog cites the questionnaire results of GTA.
Dr. Takamori is very popular among Japanese fans.
http://ameblo.jp/s-tai/entry-12101225653.html

Favorite drivers
1. Satoshi Motoyama
2. Juichi Wakisaka
3. NOB Taniguchi
4. Yuji Tachikawa
5. Ronnie Quintarelli
6. Naoki Yamamoto
7. Takuto Iguchi
8. J.P de Oliveira
8. Tsugio Matsuda
10. Takuya Izawa
11. Manabu Orido
12. Takashi Kogure
12. Dr. Takamori

Drivers who can succeed in the near future
1. Daiki Sasaki
2. Takuto Iguchi
3. Katsumasa Chiyo
3. Ryo Hirakawa
5. Koudai Tsukakoshi
5. Naoki Yamamoto
7. Yuhi Sekiguchi
8. Juichi Wakisaka
9. Kazuki Hoshino
10. Hiroaki Ishiura
11. Mitsunori Takaboshi
11. Yuji Tachikawa
13. Dr. Takamori
13. Ryuichiro Tomita
13. Hironobu Yasuda
Long live Dr. Hiroshi Takamori.com !
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Old 2 Dec 2015, 08:19 (Ref:3594927)   #69
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I know that it's off-topic, but would it be better if GTA would go to GTE should the Class One convergence project fail?

If they want to go to Le Mans, might as well go to GTE then...
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I know that it's off-topic, but would it be better if GTA would go to GTE should the Class One convergence project fail?

If they want to go to Le Mans, might as well go to GTE then...
I think like you
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I know that it's off-topic, but would it be better if GTA would go to GTE should the Class One convergence project fail?
I think Super GT just need to go on its own way (in terms of its GT500 spec, multi-tyre war etc) even though the convergence project with DTM will fail,

because Super GT itself was already exciting before technical partnership with DTM was announced (which can be viewed as Super GT's effort to promote itself internationally).

I remember at 2013 when GT500 cars will share the technical spec with DTM cars, some people are sure that Super GT will be less exciting, but in fact, it's getting more exciting I guess.

Well, I don't have any idea why ITR/DTM postpone their own 2.0 turbo engine. Audi, Mercy and BMW can be advantageous through making 2.0 turbo engine as the running lab of their own development for road car engine.

Ah, one more. To even up Speckook & Super GT's multi-tyre on a single race surely won't be an easy job...
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I think Super GT just need to go on its own way (in terms of its GT500 spec, multi-tyre war etc) even though the convergence project with DTM will fail,

because Super GT itself was already exciting before technical partnership with DTM was announced (which can be viewed as Super GT's effort to promote itself internationally).

I remember at 2013 when GT500 cars will share the technical spec with DTM cars, some people are sure that Super GT will be less exciting, but in fact, it's getting more exciting I guess.

Well, I don't have any idea why ITR/DTM postpone their own 2.0 turbo engine. Audi, Mercy and BMW can be advantageous through making 2.0 turbo engine as the running lab of their own development for road car engine.

Ah, one more. To even up Speckook & Super GT's multi-tyre on a single race surely won't be an easy job...
You make them run a control tire from a manufacture that isn't associated with either series.

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You make them run a control tire from a manufacture that isn't associated with either series.
Continental's!? IMSA wanted American DTM anyway.
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Continental's!? IMSA wanted American DTM anyway.

Continentals? Woah woah let's not inflict that pain on our Japanese and German brothers and sisters.
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Old 3 Dec 2015, 00:27 (Ref:3595105)   #75
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It could be worse, it could be crapirelli....

Imho, it's pretty clear why SGT is far more fun than DTM:
_It's ran on far better track layouts(on average)
_Tyre war is a great thing for racing as it swings the performance not only from race to race but also during different moments in the same race(wet-dry variations, a compound that might be better over the whole stint but slower on the initial laps and etc.....). Plus, with tyre war, you kill the usage of tyres as gimmickies like DTM, on it's ever F1-wannabe attitude, have been doing with the two mandatory different compounds
_No DRS BS. Again, DTM's cringeworthy attempts to be a copy of F1 just brought all the disgraceful silly gimmickies that kills real racing and fair competition
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