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Old 16 Sep 2015, 21:28 (Ref:3574310)   #256
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Oh dear

One of the unfortunate by-products of the internet is that incorrect information spreads at an enormous pace. I am sure that this misinformation is not spread maliciously, but it certainly spreads at a very fast pace. A tiny example concerns the engine designations used by Cosworth. I am nearly 70 years old now and my information comes from personal contact with Duckworth, Jack Field, John Lievesley, Brian Hart etc. SCA = Single Cam model A. FVA = Four Valve model A. BDA = Belt Driven model A. DFV = Double Four Valve. I hope this helps. I can assure you all that this is correct. There are many many other bits of incorrect information on this forum but I thought I would start with these bits. ).
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 10:15 (Ref:3844575)   #257
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Thanks nabs for adding to the discussion! If my sources are correct Dave M raced the 1300GT in 1971 so it was to that year Gp2 spec rather than previous Gp5 coil sprung only rear end. Can you remember where rear dampers were located to body? Guess they were not fitted with additional coils at that time and leaf springs were 'real'? Also interested if front legs were original Ford type or car had special uprights and how much interior car had retained.

The only Escort that I can find Boreham raced was LVX947J so must have been that one. It was used first by Ford Belgium in 1971 then Boreham 1972 (Birrell & othersr) and was fitted with the 'experimental' torsion bar rear end at some point. Sold to Ron Douglas after that. Car painted yellow with green bonnet which I guess was Belgium scheme. I wonder who came up with the torsion bar design- Len Bailey or Ralph Broad?

Not surprised Broadspeed car handled better- it's a comment you often hear about their cars! Thanks again for post, any more period Escort info greatly appreciated
Hi Mike I know this is an old post but Iím currently restoring The 1973 BROADSPEED Barbarians 1300BDA MK1 in fact itís literey weeks away from completion !! This Car is running all itís original suspension set-up which is very trick but no Aluminium TCAís !! It has Inboard rear shocks, Alluminium Pigsheadí on the rear axle plus an anti roll bar !
I also own Ford BOREHAM Racecar LVX 947J this has signs of once running Torsion Bar rear suspension, but has been modified to run coilovers all round ! When I have it restored we will reinstall the Tortion Bar set-up as in period.
If anyone has any information or pictures of these Cars I would be very much appriative ??
Thanks Paul
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 11:19 (Ref:3844600)   #258
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Also late to the party, but I thought it may be insightful to add that Boreham had been officially or unofficially (I never knew) engineering Roger Taylor's cars plus others. They were certainly heavily involved in running Roger's cars in their various guises.



In fact, Roger's Mk1 Escort used in Special Saloons was one of, if not the earliest Escorts to hit the tracks in the 60s. And it was certainly a wonder to behold when compared to the cars most of us were running at the time. And to the best of my knowledge it had been developed by Bert Avard and his band of merry men at Boreham. I never saw underneath the car, but it was highly sophisticated under the bonnet.


My point in this rambling is that Bert was a damned good engineer.
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 13:30 (Ref:3844655)   #259
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Hi Mike I know this is an old post but Iím currently restoring The 1973 BROADSPEED Barbarians 1300BDA MK1 in fact itís literey weeks away from completion !! This Car is running all itís original suspension set-up which is very trick but no Aluminium TCAís !! It has Inboard rear shocks, Alluminium Pigsheadí on the rear axle plus an anti roll bar !
I also own Ford BOREHAM Racecar LVX 947J this has signs of once running Torsion Bar rear suspension, but has been modified to run coilovers all round ! When I have it restored we will reinstall the Tortion Bar set-up as in period.
If anyone has any information or pictures of these Cars I would be very much appriative ??
Thanks Paul
Don't be such a tease Paul, get some pictures posted on here, I'm sure everyone would love to see them! (Mind you, I think you have to have made a minimum number of forum posts before you can add pictures, so maybe you'd better start off with some descriptions to get your post count up!)
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 19:50 (Ref:3844814)   #260
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Hi VIVA GT
I see you're from Leicester ? That's where I'm based, I will put some pictures up of the Broadspeed Escort as soon as I can ?
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Old 21 Aug 2018, 06:19 (Ref:3845118)   #261
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`73 Broadspeed.

Interesting thread....I thought these pictures might be interesting for reference. Taken from the recently found `73 Broadspeed Escort 1300 of Vince Woodman.
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Old 21 Aug 2018, 06:55 (Ref:3845122)   #262
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I see you're from Leicester ? That's where I'm based, I will put some pictures up of the Broadspeed Escort as soon as I can ?
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Yes Paul, and I work for an ex-Broadspeed employee who has given you lots of advice about the car too! (Shh!)
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Old 23 Aug 2018, 13:11 (Ref:3845557)   #263
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Interesting thread....I thought these pictures might be interesting for reference. Taken from the recently found `73 Broadspeed Escort 1300 of Vince Woodman.
Did Vince know this was around?

He had the nice replica built just before he fell ill.
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Old 27 Aug 2018, 09:07 (Ref:3846466)   #264
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Yes Paul, and I work for an ex-Broadspeed employee who has given you lots of advice about the car too! (Shh!)
Hi VIVA GT - Iím assumming his initials are GG ? Plus Seeing as your name on here is VIVA GT & youíre from Leicester you must know John Sharpe too?
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Old 27 Aug 2018, 11:40 (Ref:3846507)   #265
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Hi VIVA GT - Iím assumming his initials are GG ? Plus Seeing as your name on here is VIVA GT & youíre from Leicester you must know John Sharpe too?
Blimey Paul, John Sharpe, that's a name I've not heard for years!
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Old 7 Oct 2018, 07:59 (Ref:3855103)   #266
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Hi Viva GT
I’ve checked my messages & haven’t received a PM from you ?
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Iíve checked my messages & havenít received a PM from you ?
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That's strange, I'll try again Paul.
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Hi everyone , just as a bit of an introduction , I'm Paul , having owned a mk1 rs1600 that needs restoration for years I have just recently decided to prep it as a group 2 zakspeed replica instead of a standard road car or group 4 rally car . Having searched the Internet for a while trying to find accurate and fia legal modifications / details your forum came up with maybe the best place to chat to intelegent chaps of similar interests and the same goal . I have lots of experience of group 4 escorts and race prep of may cars plus fabrication etc so nothing phases me . Can anyone here help me with technical info and period pics of what is allowable and has been accepted by the fia please .i can understand that there have been many posts on this subject but I'm 50 years old dyslexic and have a memory for web pages like a siv lol . So my long term plan is to start on the shell fabrication first and temporarily fit a group2 arch kit , cheers guys , regards Paul
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Hi everyone , just as a bit of an introduction , I'm Paul , having owned a mk1 rs1600 that needs restoration for years I have just recently decided to prep it as a group 2 zakspeed replica instead of a standard road car or group 4 rally car . Having searched the Internet for a while trying to find accurate and fia legal modifications / details your forum came up with maybe the best place to chat to intelegent chaps of similar interests and the same goal . I have lots of experience of group 4 escorts and race prep of may cars plus fabrication etc so nothing phases me . Can anyone here help me with technical info and period pics of what is allowable and has been accepted by the fia please .i can understand that there have been many posts on this subject but I'm 50 years old dyslexic and have a memory for web pages like a siv lol . So my long term plan is to start on the shell fabrication first and temporarily fit a group2 arch kit , cheers guys , regards Paul
https://www.doublegmotorsport.com/rsprep/prepindex.html
A good place to start is the original Ford prep manual .
It does include notes on what was allowed under Gp2 regs of the time .

PS , there is no such thing as a Gp 4 Mk1 Escort
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Thank you for the link , I have the paperback of those details witch only apply to rally cars , group 2 zakspeed race cars come / came under different regs and preparation details . Even modern msa regs are different for race and rally cars . What would really be handy so I can start preparation is the following : (group 2 zakspeed 1974 )
And must comply with current fia historic regs

Detailed photos of the roll cage i.e. Did they use a standard SD 6 point cage , with or without additional bracing to the rear chassis rails / SD multipoint cage or a bespoke fabricated cage ?? I could imagine an allybars alloy cage could have been the done thing back then but regs won't allow alloy cages so CDS will be the only option

We're the rear chassis rails raised to allow the car to sit at a lower ride height ??
Anyone actually had any joy with torsion bar setup and does it make any difference
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Did they use short link bars , long link bars or lower link bars mounted under the chassis rails and the upper link bars inboard ,
From what I have seen in 2 photos the rear turrets are set further inboard ( I'm presuming this was only done to allow for wheel clearance
As it's a genuine type 49 shell I don't want to start chopping bits out that detracts from it's originality if I don't have to , although I realise the rear firewall and tramp bar brackets will have to go anyway etc etc

Has anyone got any pics of the boot mounted fuel tank ?

Did the zakspeed cars run chassis mounts with a modified gp4 cross member etc
I will be using standard gartrac tarmac /AP historic calipers for now as I have them but will consider the later type gp5 setup any input from members , esp who have an historic race car would be much app , cheers
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