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Old 23 Apr 2011, 07:43 (Ref:2868475)   #46
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Ashby & Reed, two of the best guys Australian motorsport has ever had. In the early 90s, they had their own Clubman Sprint Karts & ran with a bunch of us at Oran Park North each month (or whenever they weren't on Group A duties). No 'FIGJAM' attitudes what so ever, just a couple of guys having fun......their nicknames:
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COuldnt agree more, knowing both of them but particularly Steve Reed. Great blokes and exceedingly underrated
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Old 7 Mar 2012, 09:28 (Ref:3036403)   #47
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I now have every atcc race in full on youtube including 10 odd minutes of the industrial action affected coverage of the sandown round.

Round 1 Calder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqXycx5bMJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ww3WjroOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_cUw7bTHCk

Round 2 Symmons Plains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTkvmueyEA8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pp8hHkW_zU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCBpy_y_81s

Round 3 Lakeside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZnpB9Og9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTEuuCCnpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZ1b_ox5HY

Round 4 Waneroo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLk52yh8aL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe-YygFlKcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnpLLKVKS08

Round 5 AIR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0MPm9eUwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aZLawMJO7o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TBLA1o_7w

Round 6 Surfers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOWVtNz7oOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSgF_zXhhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlkRMm4OhY

Round 7 Sandown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01LNdR1IXd4

Round 8 Amaroo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6sGLWKRpiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfoMfjuW3bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFu5M6qLhz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyh9H4pnumg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rOjFBAltkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEMD0ksKz2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeYmaTd5Pk

Round 9 Oran Park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaMLFZlt3WM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8e0uVxGkd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CYlujZPIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZgsuNGX4zQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARAWi3oq-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJe_gtdlu2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5yB3SUzanI
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Old 29 May 2013, 12:51 (Ref:3254958)   #48
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The points system for the AMSCAR Series that year were biased toward class positions, with bonuses for outright places:

Class: 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1
Outright: 3, 2, 1

Ashby won his class in each of the heats (27 pts) and received 5 bonus points for his overall placing in each heat. Longhurst received 6 bonus points for his overall placings, but only won his class in two of the heats (24 pts), so Ashby beat him to the overall win by two points, 32 to 30.
Was a final pointscore for the 1987 AMSCAR Series ever printed? I don't have any of the relevant RCN's or AA's from that year to check, and AMRY ignores the '87 AMSCAR Series (and the non-WTCC enduro's too...). Jim Richards won it of course, but beyond him?

One assumes the AMSCAR points awarded for the round that doubled as the ATCC round, and the Hardie Irrigation 100, were awarded on the same format as the above?

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Old 1 Nov 2013, 16:31 (Ref:3325963)   #49
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I have a dubious date of November 14, which would have been Saturday, but more likely than November 12. When answering to this post it might be said that the John Smith TTA Celica was likely sourced from New Zealand. Running as a class C car it would likely be a 2.0, as that was the version homologated.

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From 1985-88 the Group A support race at the AGP in Adelaide was run on the Saturday afternoon an hour after final F1 qualifying had been completed (i.e. the Group A race was always scheduled to start at 3pm). From either 1989 or 1990 they changed it to a race in the usual Saturday timeslot with a second race on the Sunday morning. That being the case, you are correct Jesper and 14 November is the correct date as the 1987 AGP was run on Sunday 15 November.
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Old 20 Jan 2014, 23:32 (Ref:3356449)   #50
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I watched the Adelaide round of the ATCC recently and it was interesting to hear Mike Raymond say that Allan Moffat (back in Oz before heading back to Spa) noted that it was night and day between the JPS BMW M3's and the M3's he had been racing against in Europe (meaning that the Schnitzer and CiBiEmme cars would have wiped the floor with Frank's All Blacks).

IIRC, neither Jum or Tony had a full blown M3 until the Surfers round, and even then it was only the #3 car. This was because the JPS cars were pretty much last cab off the rank when it came to parts supply from BMW, the WTCC teams being first in line, then the M3's running in the UK and Europe, then Franks little team in Sydney.

From what I know (and I may be wrong), the JPS M3's pretty much ran with 325i running gear and suspension for the first half of the ATCC, although Richards finished second at Symmons and won at Lakeside (and had pole at Calder and Adelaide). Its no coincidence that once the team got their hands on a full M3 that Jim Richards started to show how good the little car was and won 3 of the last 4 rounds to take the title from under Glenn Seton's nose.
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Old 4 Jun 2014, 07:25 (Ref:3415094)   #51
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If Gardner had run the car with previous model stuff it would have been against the rules and don't forget at the time all the teams were working themselves into a frenzy making sure every thing was 100% legal for the WTCC at Bathurst that October.
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Old 5 Jun 2014, 09:02 (Ref:3415611)   #52
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IIRC, neither Jum or Tony had a full blown M3 until the Surfers round, and even then it was only the #3 car. This was because the JPS cars were pretty much last cab off the rank when it came to parts supply from BMW, the WTCC teams being first in line, then the M3's running in the UK and Europe, then Franks little team in Sydney.

From what I know (and I may be wrong), the JPS M3's pretty much ran with 325i running gear and suspension for the first half of the ATCC, although Richards finished second at Symmons and won at Lakeside (and had pole at Calder and Adelaide). Its no coincidence that once the team got their hands on a full M3 that Jim Richards started to show how good the little car was and won 3 of the last 4 rounds to take the title from under Glenn Seton's nose.
325i was a six cylinder, the M3 was a four banger, I reckon the scrutes would notice that!
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325i was a six cylinder, the M3 was a four banger, I reckon the scrutes would notice that!
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Old 21 Aug 2014, 16:27 (Ref:3446011)   #54
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I should clarify my statement about the JPS M3's.

It was the 325i suspension they were running before Jim got a full blown M3 for the Surfers round of the ATCC. Obviously they were running the 2.3L 4cyl engine and not the 6 from the 325i.
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here the video I have find on that race on youtube
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Oran Park South Circuit, NSW (15/2/1987)

Circuit Length: 1.96 km
Race Distance: 25 laps
Weather: Rain clearing

Oran Park was celebrating its 25th anniversary, and on the programme was the first Group A race for 1987 in Australia. A 25-lapper on the original short-circuit drew a solid local entry, with the bigger names mostly still on their way home from New Zealand's Nissan-Mobil Series. Larry Perkins entered, but didn't quite make it back in time.

Cars making their debut were Colin Bond's long-awaited Alfa Romeo 75, and two Ford Sierra RS Cosworths from the OXO team. Tony Noske planned to have his first run in his ex-Perkins VK but put it into the wall during practice, while Phil Ward had the first of many drives in his ex-AMG Mercedes-Benz 190E.

Reed mastered the greasy early conditions to run out a comfortable winner from Bond. Laurie Hazelton backed his Volvo into the pit wall late in the race, injuring a TV cameraman. Magazine sources disagree over whether the crash caused the race to be stopped, something I suspect the TV coverage would solve.

PositionNumberEntrantDriverCarClassRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid Position
134Lansvale Smash RepairsSteve ReedHolden Commodore VKA20m19.79s  0m47.18s2
275Network AlfaColin BondAlfa Romeo 75 TurboB20m43.88s  0m46.86s1
3 Terry FinniganTerry FinniganHolden Commodore VKA21m06.54s  0m48.35s9
4 Formula 1 InvestmentsGraham MooreHolden Commodore VKA21m48.43s  0m47.38s4
5 Lusty EngineeringGraham LustyHolden Commodore VKA24 laps  0m48.19s7
6 Tony MulvihillTony MulvihillHolden Commodore VKA24 laps  0m48.01s6
7 Reithmuller-WardPhil WardMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16B24 laps  0m47.47s5
8 Paul JonesPaul JonesToyota CorollaC23 laps  0m51.66s15
9 GemsparesDaryl HendrickIzusu Gemini ZZC23 laps  0m52.04s16
10 Ray GulsonGraham GulsonBMW 635CSiA23 laps  0m48.51s10
11 Ratcliff Transport SparesDavid RatcliffToyota CorollaC22 laps  0m51.??s14
12 Laurie HazeltonLaurie HazeltonVolvo 240TA22 lapscrashed 0m55.22s17
13 Kevin ClarkKevin ClarkFord MustangA21 laps  0m51.12s13 (pits)
DNF35OXO Supercube MotorsportCraig HarrisFord Sierra Cosworth RSA6 laps?withdrew 0m50.11s12
DNF34OXO Supercube MotorsportDon SmithFord Sierra Cosworth RSA1 lap?withdrew 0m48.21s8
DNS  Peter McLeodHolden Commodore VKA lost wheel - parade lap 0m47.21s3
DNS26Kalari TransportTony NoskeHolden Commodore VKA practice crash 0m48.92s11
ENT11 Larry PerkinsHolden Commodore VKA     
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Was a final pointscore for the 1987 AMSCAR Series ever printed? I don't have any of the relevant RCN's or AA's from that year to check, and AMRY ignores the '87 AMSCAR Series (and the non-WTCC enduro's too...). Jim Richards won it of course, but beyond him?

One assumes the AMSCAR points awarded for the round that doubled as the ATCC round, and the Hardie Irrigation 100, were awarded on the same format as the above?
Interestingly, the latest edition of "Australian Muscle Car Magazine" claims that Tony Longhurst won the 1987 AMSCAR Series..... I cannot work out how though given that he missed a complete round
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Interestingly, the latest edition of "Australian Muscle Car Magazine" claims that Tony Longhurst won the 1987 AMSCAR Series..... I cannot work out how though given that he missed a complete round
TouringCarRacing,net reckons Richards was the winner.....
Race results for all 4 rounds along with short race reviews here:
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