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Old 4 Jul 2017, 02:54 (Ref:3748749)   #451
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So why didnt teams test?

and at any point, let them book winton or Spa or PI, whichever track they like and go testing, why give the few an advantage
If teams want to go and test to help with their preparation, let them test. I don't understand why you're so concerned about some people having an advantage from testing. Its called proper preparation which would be vital for a good 12hr race on one of the most unforgiving tracks on the planet. If you choose not to test then that's on your head.

If CB are happy for teams to use it as a test for the 12hr then whats it to you? Especially when they're a minority in the number of entries for the event.
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:02 (Ref:3748750)   #452
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how come Peckstar is allowed personal attacks but no one else is?

I copped a 1 week ban recently but Peckstar is allowed to do much worse?
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:09 (Ref:3748752)   #453
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how come Peckstar is allowed personal attacks but no one else is?

I copped a 1 week ban recently but Peckstar is allowed to do much worse?


Is this like Photobucket where you have to sign up to one of their premium plans so you can attack people without recourse?
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:14 (Ref:3748754)   #454
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Must be.

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CB is held at Bathurst, teams can run that event to get the driver and car at least partially sorted for the 12 hour or to just experience the track. It's a lot more than getting distance in a car, getting experience of each track carries many benefits.
Not anymore

however drivers can still run the track , just not in a GT3, which as you said, carries many benefits
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:19 (Ref:3748756)   #456
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Sorry, why does it have to be bathurst? Surely if its about getting miles in a car, the venue doesnt matter



So the venue doesn't matter - but in your next post there are many benefits to running at the venue?????
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So the venue doesn't matter - but in your next post there are many benefits to running at the venue?????
sorry, which "many benefits" did i mention

A negative is that if you are learning then driving your half million difficult to repair car at bathurst is a lot more risky than most permanent tracks

Drivers are able to test at most permanent tracks whenever they want.

But CB is not a test day, nor is it an unofficial test day (wishful thinking by the promoter)
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:27 (Ref:3748760)   #458
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Not anymore

however drivers can still run the track , just not in a GT3, which as you said, carries many benefits




Ummm...right there
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:27 (Ref:3748761)   #459
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Regardless of its perceived status as test or proxy test day - the move to ban GT3 and GT4 cars doesn't add up.

The reference of yours Peckstar to the old and new promoter doesn't hold much validity because neither can claim exclusive use of GT3 cars and nor should they.
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sorry, which "many benefits" did i mention

A negative is that if you are learning then driving your half million difficult to repair car at bathurst is a lot more risky than most permanent tracks

Drivers are able to test at most permanent tracks whenever they want.

But CB is not a test day, nor is it an unofficial test day (wishful thinking by the promoter)


That's where you're wrong. Some B12 teams do use it as an unofficial test day or to shakedown a new car. Not all the teams have a manufacturer behind them that can book out the whole track, like Audi is planning to do.
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Old 4 Jul 2017, 03:34 (Ref:3748764)   #461
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however drivers can still run the track , just not in a GT3, which as you said, carries many benefits
The benefits accrue from running the car you're going to race at a later event. Driving the same track in a very different car means that you still have a lot of learning to do in your own car once you're out on that track. In this case, running CB in preparation for B12H gives a driver/team experience of that car, on that track with that driver - braking points, lines, gear ratios, tyre wear, brake pads, fuel consumption etc, the list is not a short one. None of that could be achieved running a different car.

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But CB is not a test day, nor is it an unofficial test day (wishful thinking by the promoter)
No, it's a race meeting and running at a race meeting with other cars on track is easily the best way to test for a later race meeting at the same track.
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That's where you're wrong. Some B12 teams do use it as an unofficial test day or to shakedown a new car. Not all the teams have a manufacturer behind them that can book out the whole track, like Audi is planning to do.
expensive exercise to drive/fly to bathurst for 2 to 3 days, pay the $4000 entry fee, just to shake down a car when you could do it a few hours from home in a safer and cheaper environment
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Obviously Peckstar, you're keen for a spend/salary cap for each team in Supercars, you know, to keep it even?
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maybe the 12 hour needs to become a 4 day weekend

and then all the issues are fixed and at a much more cost effective price
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Obviously Peckstar, you're keen for a spend/salary cap for each team in Supercars, you know, to keep it even?
have no idea what you are waffling about or even why would bring up a totally unrelated issue
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anyway, finding it interesting why only CB is being discussed

back to one of my original points on why the change is happening.

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Pecky your argument has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.
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I see no issue with Challenge Bathurst running GT3 cars.

Any support of the blanket ban is ill-advised because there is no obvious substance to it other than to enforce the commercial interests of CAMS.

It's not for safety reasons - any given number of expired homologation GT3 cars from the Mosler etc can attend CB - and they can also be modified for more speed. CB is also open to cars that are faster then GT3, such as older GT1 or the Ferrari 599XX that Maranello was slated to bring last year. Tony Quinn could run his Vulcan if he pleased - its faster than GT3 - more power more aero.


Obviously, a manufacturer can hire the mountain for a significant fee and Bathurst Council will happily take it - so only a handful of backed teams can benefit from such a move.

CB allows for some of the smaller privateer teams to at least get some running - although the format isn't exactly conducive to optimised runs and the gains would be minimal.

Combine this with risk of bending a machine - and a potential re-shell - and you end up with a number of teams on the fence about going at all as we saw last year.

You may get more value testing elsewhere - but at least leave it open for the teams to make the call on if they attend CB or not.
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maybe the 12 hour needs to become a 4 day weekend

and then all the issues are fixed and at a much more cost effective price
Or just leave Challenge Bathurst as in and no need to cause all the hassles?
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Pecky your argument has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.
Actually my key argument is true, and no one even wants to discuss it

But im picking apart everyones argument just as easily, so theirs have just as many holes


the CB test issue is a just a distraction, as hardly anyone tested last yer anyway
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Or just leave Challenge Bathurst as in and no need to cause all the hassles?
No hassles if CB is out either
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expensive exercise to drive/fly to bathurst for 2 to 3 days, pay the $4000 entry fee, just to shake down a car when you could do it a few hours from home in a safer and cheaper environment
Why not shakedown the car on the track its to be raced at next and one that you cant access for 99% of the year. Its all about taking opportunities, like the opportunity you took to have a personal attack at me and several others to call us someone's minions.

That's a personal attack as defined by this forum's rules is it not?
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maybe the 12 hour needs to become a 4 day weekend

and then all the issues are fixed and at a much more cost effective price
B12hr promoter John Casey has been quoted saying that, if anything, Competitors believe the current event has too many practice sessions (incurring too much risk of bending the car and eliminating them from the weekend before the race)
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B12hr promoter John Casey has been quoted saying that, if anything, Competitors believe the current event has too many practice sessions (incurring too much risk of bending the car and eliminating them from the weekend before the race)
Cheers

guess that would mean they are not going to go to a "unofficial test session" then either

better to do your set up and shakedowns and driver familiarization at safer tracks. sounds familiar
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Why not shakedown the car on the track its to be raced at next and one that you cant access for 99% of the year. Its all about taking opportunities, like the opportunity you took to have a personal attack at me and several others to call us someone's minions.

That's a personal attack as defined by this forum's rules is it not?
So what though, hardly anyone went, its a mountain out of a mole hill

didnt call you a minion, why do you think you are?
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