World Rallycross Championship 2017

[ebby]

IMG plastering Loeb in the Dakar over the #WorldRX website today. Assume he's got a multi year deal with Peugeot-Hansen otherwise can't see why they'd want a Red Bull athlete on their site.

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[toledo47]

Electric rallycross at SEMA Vegas 2017
http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...&id=91d483ca6e

and also this in 2017
http://speedleague.org/

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According to Swedish news giant Expressen, "they could reveal" that Solberg will be in a KMS VW along with Kristoffersson.

I know most of you guys don't understand Swedish but the article seems a bit odd. For example there are no more details besides from them being in KMS and Expressen writes very little about rallycross. They wrote that Solberg finished third last season too ...

http://www.expressen.se/sport/motor/...enskt-vw-team/

Feels somewhat weird if this is true. Solberg seems to have had his plans ready for some time and last month Tommy K said he wasn't sure if KMS would do WRX either, and maybe not even in VW cars either. They didn't even have cars then!

[ebby]

Doesn't sound like KMS is a VW works team?

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[chunder]

There have never been any works VW teams. THey try and push it to you that there are, but they are importer backed nothing more.

A works team is one that provides technical backup, improvements, goes testing with you, builds engines.

KMW was never that, they just had money from VW Sweden to add to their budget

[J.U.]

With PSRX fielding the two Polos what will KMS do? Euro RX? STCC?

[tbtstt]

Well it looks like it is more than just a rumour now:



Massive news, though it does raise a lot of questions as to how things are going to run. Will PSRX be running the whole thing, or will Solberg be integrating with the KMS team? Are they going to be running updated versions of the KMS cars, or are they starting again from scratch?

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New article from Swedish VF, VW motorsport has actually developed and built a new Polo and the duo is to test the car next week.

How the teams will come together is not decided yet but Solberg will run the team from Torsby at least.

http://www.vf.se/rallycross/varmland...-i-rallycross/

[Pozi]

Now on the FIA WRX site

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...ersson-team-up

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by Pozi

Now on the FIA WRX site

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...ersson-team-up

Was just about to post that! That gives a good indication as to the setup of the new team.

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Another article from Norwegian VG. The budget is believed to be ca €8,25 - 8,82 million ...

KMS don't seem to be involved according to this article, Solberg is the brain behind all this and also picked Kristoffersson to be in the team. They will have up to 30 people during events with people from VW and Solbergs team.

Much more can be read in the article, otherwise I'll help translate if needed.

http://www.vg.no/sport/motorsport/mo...ll/a/23894355/

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by crossfades

Another article from Norwegian VG. The budget is believed to be ca €8,25 - 8,82 million ...

KMS don't seem to be involved according to this article, Solberg is the brain behind all this and also picked Kristoffersson to be in the team. They will have up to 30 people during events with people from VW and Solbergs team.

Much more can be read in the article, otherwise I'll help translate if needed.

http://www.vg.no/sport/motorsport/mo...ll/a/23894355/

That's interesting. I am reading it using Google translate, but it seems like they will be using all new cars for 2017? I wonder who is providing the engines?

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

That's interesting. I am reading it using Google translate, but it seems like they will be using all new cars for 2017? I wonder who is providing the engines?

That's correct. Like I posted earlier VW has developed and built the cars, F-X doing the bodywork like it says in VG. The cars is all-new and been ready for some time. It is based on the WRC car.

I guess the engine is in-house? I don't know but nothing else has been revealed. But since VW Motorsport developed the cars and gone through a similar phase from when building the WRC cars, my presumption is that they have the same engine builder from WRC.

[chunder]

So, how this can happen if VW are supposedly pulling out of WRC? This must came from a similar budget?

I doubt they will be using the same engines as the WRC ones are tuned for running on a far smaller restrictor and are 1.6 litre.

So unless the car is like the JRM Mini and running a 1.6 litre engine it will be built probably by someone like Callaghan or Trollspeed or Solbergs existing engine man which I believe is Pipo.

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by chunder

So, how this can happen if VW are supposedly pulling out of WRC? This must came from a similar budget?

The figures being talked about in that article are less than some of those I have seen associated with the WRC, so perhaps this is a "cheaper" (I use the term loosely) alternative? I still think the withdrawal of VW from the WRC was as much a publicity stunt as it was a financial necessity.

The engines would be my only concern at the moment, as I wonder how much expertise VW have with that displacement engine (and running that level of power).

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Originally Posted by chunder

So, how this can happen if VW are supposedly pulling out of WRC? This must came from a similar budget?

I doubt they will be using the same engines as the WRC ones are tuned for running on a far smaller restrictor and are 1.6 litre.

So unless the car is like the JRM Mini and running a 1.6 litre engine it will be built probably by someone like Callaghan or Trollspeed or Solbergs existing engine man which I believe is Pipo.

I just said, and guessed, same engine builder that they had in the WRC. The GRC Beetle for example has a 2.0 litre engine and that was an in-house engine I think.

Godfrey was developing an engine, could be him maybe. I believe it is VWs own developed engine though.

[leonidas]

I guess with that kind of money VW can buy in additional RX expertise when and if they need it.

It does raise questions for everyone else - and for the sustainability of the sport. Not many will be able to match this sort of budget which is huge by RX standards. You just wonder if WRX is growing too big, too fast - we have certainly seen that before.

[CS1]

Originally Posted by leonidas

I guess with that kind of money VW can buy in additional RX expertise when and if they need it.

It does raise questions for everyone else - and for the sustainability of the sport. Not many will be able to match this sort of budget which is huge by RX standards. You just wonder if WRX is growing too big, too fast - we have certainly seen that before.

Are we talking about per annum or over a 3 year deal?

[chunder]

IMG wont give a flying hoot, as we all know they only care about the now, nothing else, what they can plaster all over facebook or twitter, nothing more. ANd get shares and likes. Yawn

[1975DCS]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

The engines would be my only concern at the moment, as I wonder how much expertise VW have with that displacement engine (and running that level of power).

Why? All WRC engines would have the same problem as WRX is the only series running 2.0 Turbo engines with 45 mm restrictors. And I guess all the VAG engines used by EKS/KMS are about as good as the Ford and PSA engines.

[CS1]

Are the cars going to be the 2017 looking cars?

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Originally Posted by CS1

Are the cars going to be the 2017 looking cars?

Not as wide as the new WRC cars since 10 cm, 5 cm on each side, is the maximum allowed width. Guess it is based on the old WRC car body wise.

Heard that Pipo have prepared the engines. Nothing official though.

[1975DCS]

I am really curious what will be different to the current Swedish VW backed Polo's. If the wide is different then the can't use the 2017 WRC suspension I suppose? And I really do believe the latest RX Polo's are already pretty good! I am sure Petter will vow for Pipo as engine builder if VW won't supply the engines. I guess they will use WRC shells to start with, so no IGMAB fit this team? Well as a side note, factory cars are not always better, Larson's Skoda was more successful than the WRC's, but of course VW is on a totally different level and all WRC teams have improved since.

[ebby]

Does this mean Kristofferson will become a Monster athlete with the team retaining their backing? Or has Solberg got his sugar fix elsewhere?

[chunder]

Might be like Ogier with Msport, his car is Red Bull the others are not. Might be the same with Solberg, though there are different grades of diabetes in a can sponsor, Doran was high profile with them doinn=g other events etc, others were not so.

Block is major league, but the F1 guys not so.