[iV8SC13R25,R26,R27] Winton 360, Winton - 23-25 August

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sounds professional

As opposed to the professionalism of running 3 cars on different fuel to the rest of the field for 1 race during the weekend?

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

As opposed to the professionalism of running 3 cars on different fuel to the rest of the field for 1 race during the weekend?

More like a test session

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

As opposed to the professionalism of running 3 cars on different fuel to the rest of the field for 1 race during the weekend?

That's actually a very professional approach - particularly after the different fuel had been evaluated in testing and on dyno runs to produce no difference in power. Makes complete sense to give it a run in race conditions to complete the evaluation process prior to deciding if it is going to be used at later races.

No different at all to evaluating new control components on a small number of cars at races earlier in the year and exactly what a professional category would do to provide a complete picture of the outcomes to its stakeholders. The fuel process also signed off by all the teams - again, a sign of a professional approach.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

That's actually a very professional approach

Come on - name me another series that does something like this?

Originally Posted by Tourer

particularly after the different fuel had been evaluated in testing and on dyno runs to produce no difference in power.Makes complete sense to give it a run in race conditions to complete the evaluation process prior to deciding if it is going to be used at later races.

Wouldnt a test session be a more feasible solution, you know where championship points arent on the line? The results speak for themselves in terms of pace benefits to certain cars.

Originally Posted by Tourer

The fuel process also signed off by all the teams - again, a sign of a professional approach.

Signed by the same teams who were winging about it afterwards? Very unprofessional

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Come on - name me another series that does something like this?

Wouldnt a test session be a more feasible solution, you know where championship points arent on the line? The results speak for themselves in terms of pace benefits to certain cars.

Signed by the same teams who were winging about it afterwards? Very unprofessional

for once i'm actually agreeing with DRT. What is the world coming to???

[peckstar]

I really fail to see what the alternative is. they tried it in a practise session. the evidence then suggested it warranted further testing.

the next option was to test it in a race setting, so they did.

They shared this information all the way along, they got sign off from the teams at various points.

It is much better to sort this out in a short race like Winton than in a longer and more significant race like Sandown

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I really fail to see what the alternative is. they tried it in a practise session. the evidence then suggested it warranted further testing.

the next option was to test it in a race setting, so they did.

They shared this information all the way along, they got sign off from the teams at various points.

It is much better to sort this out in a short race like Winton than in a longer and more significant race like Sandown

Spot on peck. They actually tried it on a test day plus on a dyno before giving it a final run at the race meeting. Much better and more professional approach to do this at a smaller race meeting than taking a flying chance with it at Sandown or Bathurst, where sheep stations are definitely being played for.

They'll now have good, useable, real-world data to assess whether or not it's the way to go for the enduros and beyond.

As for the other teams complaining or making noises about it after they've agreed to it DRT - well that's just normal and not indicative of a lack of professionalism - in fact it's what you'd expect - refer F1 and other high profile professional series for similar behaviour - nothing out of the ordinary here.

[BlueBlood]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

For which Mr Lowndes copped a 25 point penalty, dumping him to. 4th in the title race...

Is there any footage anywhere of this incident?

Have not been able to find any yet

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Is there any footage anywhere of this incident?

Have not been able to find any yet

just adding to this, from a teams championship triple 8 are now leading the penalty points championship

CL has the most penalty points

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I really fail to see what the alternative is. they tried it in a practise session. the evidence then suggested it warranted further testing.

the next option was to test it in a race setting, so they did.

They shared this information all the way along, they got sign off from the teams at various points.

It is much better to sort this out in a short race like Winton than in a longer and more significant race like Sandown

I agree with you completely.

The only thing I'd add to it though is that the test should be repeated at another circuit (NOT the enduro races) and reviewed at season end.

Making parity adjustments before the biggest race of the year is wrong on every level. Remember what happened in 1993 - Fords were dominant all season, made a parity adjustment and they were way off the pace at Bathurst.

Ultimately, Nissan and AMG knew that the first 12 months was going to be tough, that they would need at least that to get competitive. I think they've both done excellent jobs, but any parity changes should be done in the off-season with more data.

[HProject]

I reckon they should've tested it in more cars. Maybe 3 different cars in each race - including a couple of Holdens and Falcons.

[321Go]

Mr Ross Stone: "It appears not only some drivers are delusional beyond belief but some key people in the V8 Supercar pit road are even worse.

"V8's in my opinion need all the new manufacturers it can get on the grid & they do need to have a welcome feeling."

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by HProject

I reckon they should've tested it in more cars. Maybe 3 different cars in each race - including a couple of Holdens and Falcons.

but it wasnt the intention to use it in a ford or holden, its all about improved fuel economy for the new guys.

Eduardo, Dont look as this as disagreeing but rather another side of it. We knew at the start of the year that this year efforts would be made to help the nissans and Mercs get up to scratch. This is one of those efforts.

Obviusly more work needs to be done in this area

[Umai Naa]

We wouldn't have had these issues, if all 4 manufacturers were singing from the same hymn sheet. i.e, phasing out the pushrod engines last season.

[champcarman]

I am a bit confused, I thought these modern, high tech 4 valve per cylinder engines we see in most modern cars (4,5,6,8,10,12 cylinder etc) were supposed to be more efficient than the old 2 valve per cylinder engines seen in very few road cars these days.

[Umai Naa]

In a road car, where clever engine management software can improve fuel economy when idling, or trundling around town, yes. At full noise on a race track? No.

[The Pressure !!]

So with all the ruckus about added performance, what was the result of what it was actually intended for, added fuel economy?

[GTRMagic]

Frosty's car ran out of juice across the line, the Nissans didnt. Better economy? Or bad strategy @ FPR

[The Pressure !!]

That one is a bit obvious

[Reload]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Frosty's car ran out of juice across the line, the Nissans didnt. Better economy? Or bad strategy @ FPR

Sounds like FPR did it perfectly.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Reload

Sounds like FPR did it perfectly.

Probably cost them some panel work on Frosty's rear and Mr Davison's front bumpers as he had to be pushed up the pitlane as the car was bone dry.

Sounds like cutting it too fine for me...

[pigs fly]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Frosty's car ran out of juice across the line, the Nissans didnt. Better economy? Or bad strategy @ FPR

Sounds like FPR tripping over their d*ck again almost.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by peckstar

but it wasnt the intention to use it in a ford or holden, its all about improved fuel economy for the new guys.

Eduardo, Dont look as this as disagreeing but rather another side of it. We knew at the start of the year that this year efforts would be made to help the nissans and Mercs get up to scratch. This is one of those efforts.

Obviusly more work needs to be done in this area

I agree, they would and should get help. But it has to be done in an orderly and accountable way - not knee jerk to help them for the grand final/melbourne cup of the year.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by pigs fly

Sounds like FPR tripping over their d*ck again almost.

But in this case, almost was actually a job well done.

[321Go]

Originally Posted by 321Go

Reading most of the negative comments on the Nissan win, the major portion of the moaning (99.9%) seems to come from the Holden side. Funny that.

And still going. The leader of the moaning brigade is still carrying on about the Hornets win. Pathetic!

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/09/08/...-stripped-win/

Originally Posted by Reload

99.9% ay, nothing like a bit of exaggeration to help your opinion.

Hey sorry Reload, it's gone back upto 99.99% now.