March 782

[driftwood]

"On the Peach car, the one he raced in DBT at Donington April 11, is NOT a Toleman car, a chap I spoke to confirmed this, despite the livery. You infer he has another one too, I presum this second one is ex-Toleman. "


i am hesitant is passing to much info on peach cars as i have been privvy to some info on his cars and it is perhaps not fair on these guys and better for them to officially provide the info should they read the forum
however i make some commnents to assist in queries

I have corresponance from the guy u spoke to and i have verbally discussed with mr peach his cars
its not a big secret but i feel its his place to say more of what he has !
im sure in time the cars will be on the track

henton was in 78 driving the #23 car as henton racing
and in 79 used the car for some races ar toleman team entry as well as rt2
#2 was used by rad in 78 1st half of season as i mentioned before and perhaps yr right paul was using this chassi in 79
i will ask him now

[allenbrown]

See the Cicale thread for news of an ex-Toleman 782 going Can-Am in 1980.

Allen

[Dan Rear]

Allen, I saw this, and immediately thought of the car DW mentions that Andrew Peach has, ie one AP imported from US, thats reportedly ex-Toleman, so presumably either -12, or the ex Henton -23.

[allenbrown]

Dan

Somewhere - and I hope I can find this in my notes - I saw an advert for a Marguey saying it had been rebuilt with a "new" March 80A tub. If this is the same Marguey, it implies the original tub was written off.

Any idea how different the 782 and 80A would have been?

What do we know about the Peach car? I'm afraid I haven't followed this thread in too much detail.

Allen

[driftwood]

tubs are different -i think 78 is wider 80 car is GE car!

[Dan Rear]

DW knows more about the Peach cars. From earlier on this thread, he has 2 apparently, one a proper ExToleman 782, and imported back from US, the other from the hills over here, and based on an F3 tub IIRC.

DW was/is, quite rightly, a little reluctant to go into too much detail, feeling some of the info may be private.

Over to you DW !

[IANHEB]

Chris/Allen/Bryan/Dan/David and others,
Back from a 6 month sabbatical,thought this would be a good thread to get back into the swing of things.
Spoke to Mr Tilanus at length last night.He personally purchased and packaged two March 782's from Paul Smith in the Autumn of 1981.One was a complete car,the other a freshly repaired tub by Gomm with enough parts to complete except a gearbox.This tub had and still has the original chassis plate 782-2.The car,painted in Ian Schekter colours although he never drove it,is complete and in a local museum.
A guy by the name of Evan Boddy bought 782-23 from unknown seller in the UK in 82/83.Apparantly Brundle test drove it before cash changed hands and it was shipped to SA.It was never used here in F.Atlantic,and lost its gearbox to a sports car project.Tilanus now owns it,and it has its original plate attached.
Hope this is of interest
Ian

[driftwood]

i was told all this months ago by BT it has cast a shaodw over 2 cars with same plate no
hence why i never mentioned it
Peach car is correct car
car in museum is a replica of sheckter car for display purposes

[IANHEB]

Kevin,
Lets be clear,the car in the museum is not a replica,it is a March 782 that has a fully known racing history from the time of its arrival in SA.The fact that the bodywork has been painted in Lexington colours is mainly irrelevant.As for the chassis plate it carries,i will inspect it with Bernard and then offer an opinion as to whether it is an original,re-issued copy or fake.
Ian

[Dan Rear]

Ian, I presume 782-2, the one you say is now in Lexington colours, is the ex Paul Smith car. He got it from Tolemans late in 78, and used in UK Atlantic pretty sucessfully in 79, then half way thru' 1980. He then put a Hart in it, and used it in some F2 races that year, plus a few Auroras. Very smart car at the time, in BMTR dark green.

Are you saying 782-23 was also bought from Paul S? I can't think why Brundle drove this (if he did). By late 82 he was well into F3, and the 782 would not have been worth testing surely if he was looking at going F2 in 1983. In the end he stayed in F3 of course. Did he have any connecton with Paul S/BMTR ?? Its a new one one me this rumour.

[IANHEB]

Dan,
No,782-23 did not come from Paul S.I do not know at this stage who sold it to Evan Boddy,but either the seller or Evan knew Brundle and he drove it simply to confirm that it was in working order.Sorry,i did not mean "test" as in racing parlance.
Ian

[Jeremy Jackson]

782-12 (Or at least, the ex rad Dougall Thruxton winner, which I hope is the same thing!), previously used by Les Edmunds until 1989) was used on the hills here by Phil Price, from about 1997 onwards. It ran with a finned nose cone a la Pilbeam MP something-or-other.

[allenbrown]

OK, let me see if I can put the pieces together f the Toleman March 782s? Please correct me if I get something wrong.

782-2 - Toleman 1978 - Paul Smith late 1978 (Atlantics then F2) - Tilanus autumn 1981. Retained 2004.

782-12 - Toleman/Dougal 1978, Toleman 1979 ... Les Edmunds c1989 ... Phil Price c1997 ...

782-23 - Henton 1978 - Toleman 1979 ... Evan Boddy (ZA) 1982/83 ...

782-?? ... Toleman 1979 - Dick Guider 1980 (Can-Am up to 1984) ...

Anyone know the history of the Les Edmunds car prior to 1989 or how to fit Peach's car into this?

Allen

[Jeremy Jackson]

Allen,

Les Edmunds ownership appears to go back to at least '84, as I have 3 sprint results for him in a 782 that year

[jamesl]

Not a 100% sure about this but I think the Peach 782 is a pukka F2 with most of its history on the hills. Originally hillclimbed by Bill Woods and the tub was a 77 F3 built up with F2 suspension.Later hill climbed with continued success for many years by Richard Drewitt(?) until about 2001/2002.I remember seeing the car at Shelsey Walsh and it looked and sounded great. No doubt that if this is Peach's car its a good un with very good history.Not sure of the chassis number though.

[driftwood]

if u had read the earier thread details u will see that 1 f2 car mr peach has is the chris drewitt f3 tub "F2" car he ran with BDG this car now runs hart in DBT events and cannot get fia papers as its not an F2 car
he has purchased from usa a pukka plated f2 car and no doubt its the can am car u guys refer to in the earlier thread as
1 its logical!
2 i recall him saying it came with some odd body parts but the f2 body had toleman on it

Re other toleman cars
where are the RT2 cars?

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by driftwood
Re other toleman cars
where are the RT2 cars?

On another thread. Nearly all sorted out now.

Originally posted by driftwood
mr peach ... has purchased from usa a pukka plated f2 car and no doubt its the can am car u guys refer to in the earlier thread as
1 its logical!
2 i recall him saying it came with some odd body parts but the f2 body had toleman on it

Can you say more about these "odd body parts"? Has anyone else seen these?

Allen

[driftwood]

i havent seen them-they havethem and im convinced ( trying to recall what was said as i didnt pay to much attention to those dtails ) they mentioned they are can am body parts
and its logical
why else would a 782 be in usa? Polak had 1 car in his collection
78A/B cars raced in atlantic & S Vee

[Chris Townsend]

What Ian says about the 782 and spares sold by Marc Smith to Tilanus makes complete sense with the car's history. At the first race of 79 [Mallory, 11 March] Smith had a big accident after a collision with Andy Barton. The tub was badly damaged and Smith missed the next few races - returning at Brands on 29 April. Press reports were that the car had been rebuilt around a new tub at March.

Now the fact that Ian says the plate is on the spare tub repaired by Gomm, not on the running car, suggests to me that this is indeed the original Rad Dougal tub, as rooted at Mallory in 79 and eventually rebuilt as a spare by Smith rather than being put in the skip, or used by March as the basis of a new car.

Chris

[znarfg]

Hi, the former Salisbury 78-2 no 10 (Bernard de Dryver) was the hillclimb car of Chris Cramer. It's sill alive and now in my garage.

[Dan Rear]

znarfg, good to know the car is still 'alive'! What are your plans for it ? Does it still have the semi-ground effect pods fitted, or is it in original 782 condition ? Do you know who had it after Chris C ?

[znarfg]

Hi Dan,
the car was sold from chris c. to the new owner in Germany. The new owner never drove the car. Chris C. has had a accident, due that accident the bodywork was destroyed and the car has got a new cassis. The son of Chris C. drove the car later, without the sidepods and with a 2 liter Hart 420 R. Now I have make a new origial 782 bodywork. Next year I will go with the european f 2 club (www.europeanf2.com)
Not bad my English!???
Franz

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by znarfg

Not bad my English!???

I'm sure we can all understand it perfectly well

[driftwood]

Franz
i can supply probably the new body work and i have some used parts for 78 car might be F3 i need to check the shape
see also www.f2racing.com
send me private message

[Nordic]

Cramer

Cramer 2

Here are a couple of photos of the Cramer March in action in 1980