BTCC BTCC 2021 - Page 91

Car 7 · 23 Feb 2021, 22:32 (Ref:4036512)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

I’m not sure he’s driven anything with a lot of downforce as he’s mainly been in GTs but good RWD experience for sure.

Fairplay, I meant aero but the point stands - there isn't much in touring cars!

S griffin · 23 Feb 2021, 22:38 (Ref:4036516)

Yeah there is the minimum amount of aero in BTCC, might be a bit of a shock for Rick when he first drives one, but he should get there eventually

antnee · 24 Feb 2021, 07:59 (Ref:4036559)

The guy has 2 championships to his name - much more success than many others on the grid....

medius · 24 Feb 2021, 08:18 (Ref:4036563)

Is there a Media Day event planned this year? Even one behind closed doors.

Overboost · 24 Feb 2021, 08:44 (Ref:4036565)

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Originally Posted by medius

Is there a Media Day event planned this year? Even one behind closed doors.

There was one planned, let's see what impact this weeks announcement has on it.

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 12:40 (Ref:4036630)

So a strange off-season is drawing to a close.
We haven't seen anywhere neat the normal amount of wild speculation, or of assertions of drivers/teams signing that turn out to be untrue as previous seasons, and nearly all of the deals seem to have been wrapped up fairly smoothly.

There are only a couple of seats still to be revealed, and word is that only one seat is not secured with three months until the wheels turn in anger.

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Confirmed Entries
Power Maxed	Vauxhall Astra	Plato	(Re-)Confirmed in press release
Power Maxed	Vauxhall Astra	???	(Re-)Confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	Cammish	Confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	???	Confirmed in press release,
Autobrite (HARD./BMR)	Cupra Leon	Goff	Confirmed in press release
Autobrite (HARD./BMR)	Cupra Leon	Geddie	Confirmed in press release
HARD./BMR	Cupra Leon	Taylor-Smith	Confirmed in press release
HARD./BMR	Cupra Leon	???	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Boardley	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	BMW 330i	Morgan	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	BMW 330i	Chilton	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars	Hyundai i30	Smiley	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars	Hyundai i30	Butel	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars (Ginsters?)	Hyundai i30	Ingram	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars (Ginsters?)	Hyundai i30	Parfitt Jr	Confirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square	Ford Focus	Hill	Confirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square	Ford Focus	O.Jackson	Confirmed in press release
Motorbase (AmD)	Ford Focus	Neate	Confirmed in press release
Motorbase (AmD)	Ford Focus	Osborne	Confirmed in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Turkington	Confirmed in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant	Confirmed in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Jelley	Confirmed in press release
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Cook	Confirmed in press release
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Crees	Confirmed in press release
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Edwards	Confirmed in press release
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Butcher	Confirmed in press release
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Smelt	Confirmed in press release

Likely Entries
???	???	Rowbottom	In this very thread from the driver!
???	???	Hamilton	Press release stating he is on the grid.

Possible Entries
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	Neal/Shedden	Neal talked about options away from racing and trying to get a deal for Flash.
???	???	Proctor	Talk of ‘deal being done’

All entries could be marked '*' due to COVID

So for the one seat that is still to be secured, which one will it be? And how tempting is it*?
Dynamics - having to race alongside Cammish who has built an experience with the car/team, and challenged for the title twice in a row and established himself as #1 in the team.
PMR - having to race alongside Plato, clear #1 driver.
HARD. - having to take on a new car with minimal development.

Arguably, HARD. could be the best option. Less expectation, and little to lose and plenty to gain reputation wise.

* I appreciate all BTCC seats are tempting, but drivers have a different perspective to the rest of us *

BTCC frog · 24 Feb 2021, 13:15 (Ref:4036637)

Where does the 'deal being done' speculation about Senna Proctor come from? I haven't heard about this before.

I think this should confirm that Rowbottom is on the grid:
https://danielrowbottom.com/
(unless it is a fake website, of course, but I don't think it is). This is most likely Team Dynamics, as Autosport is usually very reliable.

Nic Hamilton should be as good as confirmed at HARD.

That leaves Power Maxed Racing seat as the only one that is unconfirmed. If the speculation about Proctor is true, that he must be going to Power Maxed. If not, I think Bobby Thompson is the other most likely contender for the seat.

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 13:39 (Ref:4036648)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Where does the 'deal being done' speculation about Senna Proctor come from? I haven't heard about this before.

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...postcount=1597

And he posted on social media words to the effect of 'deal done'.

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

I think this should confirm that Rowbottom is on the grid:
https://danielrowbottom.com/
(unless it is a fake website, of course, but I don't think it is). This is most likely Team Dynamics, as Autosport is usually very reliable.

Probably - although 2021 BTCC news could be that he (and his sponsors) are sitting out the season until 2022....

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Nic Hamilton should be as good as confirmed at HARD.

Why HARD. and not another team?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

That leaves Power Maxed Racing seat as the only one that is unconfirmed. If the speculation about Proctor is true, that he must be going to Power Maxed. If not, I think Bobby Thompson is the other most likely contender for the seat.

Proctor stating his deal was done happened months before PMR still stated they are trying to sign a driver.

BTCC frog · 24 Feb 2021, 14:14 (Ref:4036656)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...postcount=1597

And he posted on social media words to the effect of 'deal done'.

Probably - although 2021 BTCC news could be that he (and his sponsors) are sitting out the season until 2022....

Why HARD. and not another team?

Proctor stating his deal was done happened months before PMR still stated they are trying to sign a driver.

I think Hamilton is at HARD just because I can't see him at Team Dynamics, and PMR said they were still choosing a driver after Hamilton had already announced his drive.

But then it doesn't fit, because we know Rowbo, Proctor and Hamilton are all on the grid as they have all sort of confirmed that they have signed a deal, and none of them are at Power Maxed because they haven't signed a driver yet. Maybe we are misunderstanding one of those three drivers, or Power Maxed have just been lying to us all this time.

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 14:17 (Ref:4036657)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

But then it doesn't fit, because we know Rowbo, Proctor and Hamilton are all on the grid as they have all sort of confirmed that they have signed a deal, and none of them are at Power Maxed because they haven't signed a driver yet. Maybe we are misunderstanding one of those three drivers, or Power Maxed have just been lying to us all this time.

I understand where you are coming from - but of those three drivers you mention, only one of them (I think) has actually confirmed that they are on the BTCC grid in 2021 (Hamilton).

WestHam92 · 24 Feb 2021, 14:57 (Ref:4036664)

I hope Thompson doesn't miss out this season. He did okay in the Audi last season, despite it not being a particularly good car and he was looking a lot better in the races before his accident.

Worse drivers than him have had opportunities in decent cars (and yes, I know how the BTCC works in terms of the business side of things being more important than having talent or experience but doesn't make it right)

**BertMk2** · 24 Feb 2021, 16:46 (Ref:4036737)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Ior Power Maxed have just been lying to us all this time.

I think lying is the wrong term here - it's possible that they had a driver signed and subsequently the commercials have changed and it's no longer viable so they have a free seat again. Before last season they had 2 drivers signed and neither raced for them - possibly the same situation again for the remaining seat.

Daverb · 24 Feb 2021, 16:51 (Ref:4036741)

Or the first seat...

**BertMk2** · 24 Feb 2021, 17:08 (Ref:4036747)

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Originally Posted by Daverb

Or the first seat...

Fair point! Who wants to put a pound on Plato being in the other Dynamics seat?

In other BTCC news Cicely have been testing the 1 series again at Donington whilst Motorbase have been at Snetterton with 2 Focus (Foci, Focuses, Focussssss). Have to say the 1 series looks good in the plain black wrap - you can see why they got rid of the gold!

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 17:16 (Ref:4036749)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Fair point! Who wants to put a pound on Plato being in the other Dynamics seat?

Or - Matt Neal and Adam Weaver have been in discussions over collaboration between Team Dynamics and Automotive Brands, and as a result Neal is in the second Astra.....

(Hamilton in a Civic, Rowbottom in a Cupra, Proctor's deal was struck by COVID).

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

2 Focus (Foci, Focuses, Focussssss).

Foci - it's a countable noun.

Alfisti · 24 Feb 2021, 18:32 (Ref:4036768)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Fair point! Who wants to put a pound on Plato being in the other Dynamics seat?

In other BTCC news Cicely have been testing the 1 series again at Donington whilst Motorbase have been at Snetterton with 2 Focus (Foci, Focuses, Focussssss). Have to say the 1 series looks good in the plain black wrap - you can see why they got rid of the gold!

JP at Dynamics would be interesting. Genuinely don't see it, but those two got on well when interviewed recently. Old pals in fact.

Sodemo · 24 Feb 2021, 18:35 (Ref:4036770)

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Originally Posted by Car 7

Fairplay, I meant aero but the point stands - there isn't much in touring cars!

What is the generally regarded amount, I was under the belief it was between 200-300kg at 140mph with a 67% front bias (for a FWD)? GT3 is about 500kg at a similar speed?

porsche962fan · 24 Feb 2021, 18:50 (Ref:4036772)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

JP at Dynamics would be interesting. Genuinely don't see it, but those two got on well when interviewed recently. Old pals in fact.

has hell frozen over ?

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 19:25 (Ref:4036775)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

has hell frozen over ?

No - there is more maturity and respect on the grid nowadays.
Just need the 'fans' to catch up now.

BTCC frog · 24 Feb 2021, 19:43 (Ref:4036780)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

has hell frozen over ?

In Jason Plato's book he basically says that the whole Plato-Neal rivalry was mostly just an act, because the fans enjoyed it.

crmalcolm · 24 Feb 2021, 20:07 (Ref:4036799)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

What is the generally regarded amount, I was under the belief it was between 200-300kg at 140mph with a 67% front bias (for a FWD)? GT3 is about 500kg at a similar speed?

I'm not sure of the kg force, but the 1-Series NGTC rear wing under tests was homologated with a total lift of between -251.8 and -274.1 N at 150kph.
This is broken down as being between 22.3 and 24.5 N lift at the front, and -247.8 and -272.2 N lift at the rear.

In comparison, the R8 LMS GT3 is reported as generating -2762.70 N overall lift (or -281.62 kg) at 180kph.

** Disclaimer - the NGTC figures are from MIRA, the R8 figures are from simulated CFD **

peebee2 · 24 Feb 2021, 20:17 (Ref:4036802)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'm not sure of the kg force, but the 1-Series NGTC rear wing under tests was homologated with a total lift of between -251.8 and -274.1 N at 150kph.
This is broken down as being between 22.3 and 24.5 N lift at the front, and -247.8 and -272.2 N lift at the rear.

In comparison, the R8 LMS GT3 is reported as generating -2762.70 N overall lift (or -281.62 kg) at 180kph.

** Disclaimer - the NGTC figures are from MIRA, the R8 figures are from simulated CFD **

Interesting info although the speed differential makes a big, big difference.

Robshillito1990 · 24 Feb 2021, 21:39 (Ref:4036828)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

In Jason Plato's book he basically says that the whole Plato-Neal rivalry was mostly just an act, because the fans enjoyed it.

It was an act that got slightly out of hand when personal insults got thrown around but you can see from recent times and interviews that they both hold them memories very fondly. Still think it will be a shame if Matt bows out from the series so quietly with little fuss.

Millvi · 25 Feb 2021, 07:09 (Ref:4036869)

Autosport magazine today (25/2/21) suggesting PMR seat is “going the way” of Bobby T.

Overboost · 25 Feb 2021, 08:42 (Ref:4036885)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millvi

Autosport magazine today (25/2/21) suggesting PMR seat is “going the way” of Bobby T.

He was rumoured to be 'a front runner' for that seat, so great opportunity for him if he nails the deal.

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