Historic Racers In Europe - Carnet Requirements?

[Gerard C]

In the seventies, the import of goods was strictly regulated and checked between the UK and F. I was a Sunday race rider and the bike to have was a T 20 250 Suzuki, the weapon of choice for any amateur. A good bloke "passed" his Crooks Suzuki dismantled by train, in three journeys… The fairing was not very discrete to customs officers tho… But it worked. Nice memory.

[john ruston]

Belgium seems to be the import country of choice within EU

[Alan Morgan]

Here is a fragment from the Government site about carnets - the punctuation and use of parentheses make it harder to understand than it should be.

*Carnets can only be issued for racing vehicles that are transported to the EU or any other Carnet country under transport contract (i.e. by freight forwarder / haulier). Any such vehicles can only be used on a dedicated race-track or on the roads closed to public. If the vehicle is road worthy and is being driven to the country of destination by the owner– then the Carnet is not required (the same applies to personal vehicles being towed or transported by the owner (i.e. motorbike transported to EU in a van by the owner; car being towed behind a motorhome vehicle driven by the owner etc).

That's positive news - probably

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Here is a fragment from the Government site about carnets - the punctuation and use of parentheses make it harder to understand than it should be.



That's positive news - probably

But what you have quoted doesn't seem to address the position of cars, etc. being towed/transported by someone like Iain (Delta) who is taking the car/s, etc on behalf of a customers who he will looking after at a meeting, and then bringing the said object/s back to the UK.

[Alan Morgan]

Yes - Iain's neither a freight forwarder or haulier. These "Carnet Guidance Notes" are a lot more scary.

https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/LCCI...Notes-2021.pdf

...looks like Iain's going to have to leave the "NEXT Black Cocktail Dress Size 12" at home to make his life easier

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Yes - Iain's neither a freight forwarder or haulier. These "Carnet Guidance Notes" are a lot more scary.

https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/LCCI...Notes-2021.pdf

...looks like Iain's going to have to leave the "NEXT Black Cocktail Dress Size 12" at home to make his life easier

Iain will get Mrs D to alter it into a race suit or a pair of shorts.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Yes - Iain's neither a freight forwarder or haulier. These "Carnet Guidance Notes" are a lot more scary.

https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/LCCI...Notes-2021.pdf

...looks like Iain's going to have to leave the "NEXT Black Cocktail Dress Size 12" at home to make his life easier

And what do they mean when they say that they cannot issue a Carnet for: Goods used as a means of transport? OK, they are racing vehicles, but saloons, GTs etc. are a means of transport.

[midgetman]

Surely for the purposes of this legislation Iain and I are hauliers? It's not our goods we're carrying and we're doing so for hire or reward.

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[morninggents]

Presumably the words 'under transport contract' would cover Iain's situation as presumably he is contracting to take vehicles to the circuit and home again as well as looking after the vehicle at the circuit. It doesn't appear that the words in brackets 'i.e. by freight forwarder/haulier' are the only examples where a carnet could be issued.

Damn, just seen that Max beat me to it!

[Simon Davey]

Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Here is a fragment from the Government site about carnets - the punctuation and use of parentheses make it harder to understand than it should be.



That's positive news - probably

Alan - please can you post a specific link to the source of your quote - or any other directions for finding it in the morass of Govt information. It's of great interest to me because I will be taking a single seater to Europe this year (hopefully) to race it - towing it on a trailer behind my motorhome. I have been researching the whole topic of Carnets for some time, but I can't track down the quote you have found. It seems to be very relevant.



Thanks!
Simon Davey

[Colin McKay]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Surely for the purposes of this legislation Iain and I are hauliers? It's not our goods we're carrying and we're doing so for hire or reward.

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There's the rub Max. If doing it for hire & reward you'll need a Standard International Operator's Licence and all the tachograph rules will apply, even for a Transit van & trailer. Driver will need a DCPC card as well = 35 hours training every 5 years. I can't see any way around this.

[eamonn ledwidge]

Originally Posted by Simon Davey

Alan - please can you post a specific link to the source of your quote - or any other directions for finding it in the morass of Govt information. It's of great interest to me because I will be taking a single seater to Europe this year (hopefully) to race it - towing it on a trailer behind my motorhome. I have been researching the whole topic of Carnets for some time, but I can't track down the quote you have found. It seems to be very relevant.



Thanks!
Simon Davey

Look here: https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/expo...ts/ata-carnet/

Scroll down to the bottom and view FAQs

[Gerard C]

Is it the same as: https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/expo...ts/ata-carnet/

[eamonn ledwidge]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Is it the same as: https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/expo...ts/ata-carnet/

In FAQs:

The ATA Carnet is a temporary admission document which acts as a passport for goods for three main categories of goods:

Commercial samples (goods to be shown or demonstrated to potential buyers i.e. jewellery, clothing etc)
Goods for presentation or use at trade fairs, shows, conferences, works of art to be exhibited at galleries and museums etc
Professional equipment (tools and equipment required to perform a paid commercial activity abroad, goods for testing and evaluation, theatrical effects, orchestras, racing vehicles*, broadcasting equipment, specially adapted vehicles** etc). Horses for racing purposes, commercial shows or breeding. Professional equipment must be used by, or under the personal supervision of the holder or his nominated representative
*Carnets can only be issued for racing vehicles that are transported to the EU or any other Carnet country under transport contract (i.e. by freight forwarder / haulier). Any such vehicles can only be used on a dedicated race-track or on the roads closed to public. If the vehicle is road worthy and is being driven to the country of destination by the owner– then the Carnet is not required (the same applies to personal vehicles being towed or transported by the owner (i.e. motorbike transported to EU in a van by the owner; car being towed behind a motorhome vehicle driven by the owner etc).

** Specially adapted vehicles can be driven on public roads and include any vehicle with permanently fitted equipment (i.e. broadcasting vans, exhibition trailers, water filter trucks etc)

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Colin McKay

There's the rub Max. If doing it for hire & reward you'll need a Standard International Operator's Licence and all the tachograph rules will apply, even for a Transit van & trailer. Driver will need a DCPC card as well = 35 hours training every 5 years. I can't see any way around this.

In as much as I can cram my stuff into a 3500kg van, I presume I'm under that. But you can't do that with a racing car can you?

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