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GRAND PRIX DE MONACO HISTORIQUE
Calendar: Historic Racing
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8 May 2020 to 10 May 2020 06:00 to 17:00
*The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
Location: Monaco

No, not a typo on the year- it really is 2020. That's how far ahead the bi-annual event is planned by the Automobile Club de Monaco. No excuse not to get the time off work booked, at least....

For the 12th running, there will be 7 Races – Restricted to cars that took part in international races and that are in conformity with the regulation for the relevant period.

RACE A LOUIS CHIRON - Pre-war Grand Prix cars and Voiturettes

Class 1- Grand Prix cars
Class 2- Pre-war Voiturettes

RACE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO
- Grand Prix cars with front engine built from 1946 to 1960

Class 1- Cars built between January 1st 1946 and December 31st 1953 fitted with a supercharged engine of maximum capacity 1500cc or with non-supercharged engine of maximum capacity 4500cc.
Class 2- Formula 2 cars built before December 31st 1953, with non-supercharged engine and a maximum engine capacity of 2000cc.
Class 3- Formula 1 cars built between January 1st 1954 and December 31st 1960 with non-supercharged engines of a maximum capacity 2500cc, or supercharged engines of maximum capacity 750cc.

RACE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Front-engine Sport Racing cars from 1952 to 1957

Class 1- Cars equipped with capacity engine from 1.5L to 2L.
Class 2- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with drum brakes.
Class 3- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with disk brakes.

RACE D GRAHAM HILL - F1 Grand Prix cars from 1961 to 1965

Class 1- Cars equipped with a 4 or 6 cylinders engine.
Class 2- Cars equipped with a 8 or 12 cylinders engine.

RACE E JACKIE STEWART
- F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1966 to 1972

Class 1- Cars raced in F1 Grand Prix in between January 1st 1966 and December 31st 1969.
Class 2- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with other engines.

RACE F NIKI LAUDA - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1973 to 1976

Class 1- Cars equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine
Class 2- Cars equipped with other engines.

RACE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1977 to 1980

Class 1- Cars designed not to exploit the ground effect.
Class 2- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with other engines.

And in French should you prefer...

SERIE A LOUIS CHIRON - Voitures de Grand Prix et Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

Classe 1- Voitures de Grand Prix
Classe 2- Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

SERIE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO - Voitures de Grand Prix à moteur avant construites entre 1946 et 1960

Classe 1- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1946 et le 31 Décembre 1953, équipées d’un moteur à compresseur de 1500 cm3 maximum ou d’un moteur sans compresseur de 4500 cm3 maximum.
Classe 2- Voitures de Formule 2 construites avant le 31 Décembre 1953, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2000 cm3 sans compresseur.
Classe 3- Voitures de Formule 1 construites entre le 1er Janvier 1954 et le 31 Décembre 1960, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2500 cm3 ou de 750 cm3 avec compresseur.

SERIE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Voitures de Sport à moteur avant de 1952 à 1957

Classe 1- Voitures dotées d’un moteur entre 1.5L et 2L.
Classe 2- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins à tambour.
Classe 3- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins à disque.

SERIE D GRAHAM HILL - Voitures de Grand Prix 1500 de 1961 à 1965

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur de 4 ou 6 cylindres.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d'un moteur de 8 ou 12 cylindres.

SERIE E JACKIE STEWART - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1966 à 1972

Classe 1- Voitures ayant participé à des Grand Prix de F1 entre le 1er Janvier 1966 et le 31 Décembre 1969.
Classe 2- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE F NIKI LAUDA - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1973 à 1976

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1977 à 1980

Classe 1- Voitures conçues sans effet de sol.
Classe 2- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un autre moteur.
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 19:17 (Ref:3951246)   #31
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Entry is online here https://acm.mc/en/edition/grand-prix...-2020/entries/

Entry that sticks out is Rene Arnoux in a Ferrari B3.
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Also noticed Pastor Maldonado in an earlier category. But certainly not as interesting as the Arnoux/Ferrari combo.
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wow !

Monaco used to be oversubscribed a few years ago
one entered, crossed fingers and prayed...
they certainly could afford to be very picky

now entries are down significantly

only 19 cars in serie E (early 3 litre F1s), thats very very low
a little more than half full

and 28 cars in serie D (1,5 litre cars) isnt fully booked either
about 4 grid spots not taken up
and out of those 28 cars, one is a Brabham BT2 Ford (Formula Junior chassis), something like that normally would not get even an entry into an HGPCA race

is the bubble bursting in historic racing ??
or is just folks like me growing older and less young blood coming in ?

I enjoyed immensely when I did it
But for me, 4 times was enough

Several pukka F1 drivers entered besides Arnoux
Jonny Carwash (Giovanni Lavaggi)
Alex Caffi

some notable pro drivers
Werner

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I got dropped to drive Assagai .Guess what they did not get in . Must be the driver .
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neither Your winning personality, nor Your individual spelling

It has been said the ACM is trying to make the event purer.
They are supposedly not keen at all on cars that never went there in period if possible.
This seems to be the reason why the South African Grand Prix cars such as the LDS and the Assegai have not been invited.
On the other hand, we have the BT2 which puzzles me... (it has been entered by a Frenchie, that might a clue)

And both the pre war and the sports car grid, again sport stuff that has no connection with Monaco and isnt really a proper representative of its class or the relevant era either, so not pure, more scrape of the barrel

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Like you Rue . Been lucky to of raced 4 times . Got invite to drive same weekend at Dijon .Much more fun and I can get out on my bike as well .
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But how do you explain that here are two cars on the official poster, one being the Assegai driven by Iain?
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But how do you explain that here are two cars on the official poster, one being the Assegai driven by Iain?

Veeeery good point, Gerard.....
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In 1962 Jo Schlesser raced a Brabham BT2 chassis BT2-5-62 in Formula Junior. For 1963 a 1500cc Ford engine was fitted and Schlesser competed in several non-championship Formula One races. As far as I'm aware it didn't compete in any World Championship races.

Fast forward to the present day and this BT2 has been rebuilt and appeared in the 2018 Monaco Historic GP as well as some HGPCA races with a 1500cc Ford engine. Now driven by Philippe Bonny I believe it's description is directly above your BT2, Rudolf, on Allen Brown's Old Racing Cars website.
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Monaco 49 years ago.


Some interesting people to be seen and some interesting Health and Safety aspects.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsLLLimG0R4
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In 1962 Jo Schlesser raced a Brabham BT2 chassis BT2-5-62 in Formula Junior. For 1963 a 1500cc Ford engine was fitted and Schlesser competed in several non-championship Formula One races. As far as I'm aware it didn't compete in any World Championship races.

Fast forward to the present day and this BT2 has been rebuilt and appeared in the 2018 Monaco Historic GP as well as some HGPCA races with a 1500cc Ford engine. Now driven by Philippe Bonny I believe it's description is directly above your BT2, Rudolf, on Allen Brown's Old Racing Cars website.

Thanx for looking that up..
It had to be something like that..

Just for the record, I sold my BT2 a while ago, am back in a 22

Fascinating how things change in historic racing
a friend of mine used to own a Lotus 22 with a similar history to the above BT2
that particular Lotus 22 was fitted with 1500 engine and did some F1 races
HGPCA would not let him in at the time, no way

so my own experiences from 10 years ago are becoming dated and obsolete
thats what growing old is like

in all fairness
to let the BT2 in and not the Assegai is a fascinating decision

thankfully I am not involved anymore

I still marvel at the slim grids at Monaco this year though

I can understand that 3 grids of 3 litre F1 cars are bit hard to fill, especially for the earliest post 66 grid as these cars have little chances to play competitively elsewhere.
Something with a DFV in the back, that needs regular crack testing will always be expensive to run, so not for everybody

I understand the problem with the pre war GP grid as a significant portion of eligble cars sits in the Mercedes Museum and wont see the light of day again. Most Auto Unions from that period were lost in the USSR and the few that survived are too valuable to race. that means that nearly half the cars that actually raced in the 1930ies wont ever be entered. It is great to see some 37A Bugs as they made up a large part of the very early grids in 1929.
Type 51 and 59 Bugs are around, but beeing worth 7 figures apparently in collectors hands, not to be raced in anger. This is how the grids ends up getting filled with Frazer Nashes.

But having less then 30 cars from the 1,5 litre formula at Monaco is really a remarkable change

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hmmm....

two cars with an entry for Monaco are beeing offered on Racecarsdirect
ATS HS1 and a Cooper, by the same French seller

wording is a bit hazy as to whether the sale is meant to happen before or after the event

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