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Old 9 Nov 2003, 00:17 (Ref:1538848)   #1
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Japan Brabham entities.

At least one is easy , Noritake Takahara in BT 36-12 in the Tasman Series early 1973.

In Japan. Japanese G.P. 3-5-1972 also has Takahara albeit with a Mitsubishi eng.
In 1973 , Japan, 3-5-1973 .
Bellco Racing Team , Kuniomu Nagamatsu BT36 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Bellco Racing Team , Osama Masuko BT30 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Noritake Takahara BT36 , Ford BDA.

At Fuji , 28-7-1974 we now have Yoshimasa Kawaguchi in BT36 BDA , being a suspicious type could be ex. Takahara BT36-12???.
At the J.A.F. G.P 3-11-1974 .
Yoshimasa Kawaguchi - BT36 Ford BDA.
Kikuo Kaira - BT36 Ford BDA.

At the Japanese G.P. 3-5-1975.
Shigeaki Asaoka - BT36-Ford BDA.note Nagamatsu now in March 742.
At Fuji 13-7-1975 , Shigeaki Asaoka BT36-12 [ F1R ].

At I Nishinihon Formula Champion Race 1-5-1977.
Kiyoshi Misaki BT36- Cosworth FVA, and also 5-6-1977 at Fuji.

Lunch Time.

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 01:10 (Ref:1538849)   #2
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Bryan I have 2 more for 1975 as well as Asaoka in a ISCC Team J.K BT36 I have Kenzou Muromachi in his own team with a BT36 BDG and Fumiyasa Satu in a BT36 BDA. The last 2 may be the same car, but the first?
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Old 9 Nov 2003, 02:10 (Ref:1538850)   #3
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Macau.

All references Philip Newsome from his book Colour and Noise.Except ch.no. notes.

26-11-1972.
J.McDonald BT36 - photo shows very Rondel style nose.

18-11-1973.
A. Poon Brabham F2. ??????????????
McDonald in a BT40 , BT36 to ?????????????

No more entities further.

BT36.

BT36-1 , Rondel Racing / Schenken all of 1971.
For sale large adv. by Rondel end of 1971 , all three cars.

A/S 24-2-1972 , reports all three of Rondels Brabham BT36 cars have now been sold.
Tim Schenken's car to Bob Howlings.
Car seems to have been hired to Tate of Leeds for G. Hill for early 1972 F2 rounds , untill Hills BT38 is delivered.
For sale Tate of Leeds 27-4-1972 p.65.

Re. the 3 Rondel cars , Chris Townsend has seperate reports , one stating a car with Fred Opert in the U.S.A is ex. Rondel BT36 , and a seperate adv. Athur Moore in an ex. Rondel car..
BT36-1 now with Andrew Fellowes in Australia.

BT36-2 .

Rondel Racing for G.Hill and Bob Wollek in 1971 , untill Wollek finally gets his own BT36 .
As per other cars , for sale end 1971 .
A/S report states Hills car sold to ''a gentleman in Japan.''

Now with Leif Norberg in Sweeden.

BT36-3.
Bernd Terbeck , car del. at Thruxton , but not raced untill Nurburgring 2-5-1971.
Still with Terbeck into 1972 at Hockenheim.
Nothing further.
Now reported with Willy Markwalder in Switzerland. 2003.

BT36-4 .
Eiffelland for Rolf Stommeln , at N'ring 2-5-1971.
To Roland Binder all through 1972.
retained and used into 2nd. half of 1973.
By Sept. 1973 in a March 732.
Car now reported with Sid Hoole U.K. 2003.

BT36-5 .

report just finished in time for N'ring. 2-5-1971.
Peter Westbury.
Retained into 1972 and fitted with BD series eng.and out at Mallory and Thruxton .
Chris Townsend advises to Nick Koob U.K. hillclimbs.
In 1974 to Chris Choat [ report as ex. Westbury Motoring News 28-3-1974 p.24.

BT36-6 .
Aotomobile Club Argentina .
Carlos Reutemann .

Report 20-4-1972 this car and others to go to driving school in Argentina .
Reports of some cars in museum in Argentina.

BT36-7.

Exactly same scenario as for BT36-6 .
This car for Carlos Ruesch through 1971.

BT36-8.

New to Archie Phillips Ireland at least by Kirkistown A/S 29-7-1971 p.22.
Appears to have been used by John Watson 3-8-1972 p38.A/S .
By 1973 Chris Townsend reports Bob Leckie / Eddie Regan.
1974 , Phil Barak , reported in Motoring News in ex. Leckie car 28-3-1974.

BT36-9.

Rondel Racing for Bob Wollek A/S 1-7-1971 at Rouen .
At end 1971 for sale by Rondel.
Report by Autosport 24-2-1972 on sale of the 3 cars , states this car to have gone to former F3 dicer John Kendall who will be contesting the Yellow Pages F/Atlantic Championship.
Used by Richard Scott at Mallory Pk. 12-3-1972.
Used by Kendall at Snetterton 6-4-1972 p.27.

Nothing further.

BT36-10.

John Wingfield , first event I can find is Ingliston report a/s 16-9-1971.
Then report A/S 24-2-1972 p.4 which states will continue in 1972 with an updated BT36 runby Nicoby Racing.
The BT36 has been suspension updated and Rondel nosed , and two Felday/Westbury eng. purchased.
Also seems to have been used in a Swiss hillclimb by Tim Goss 3-8-1972 .
For sale A/S 9-11-1972 p.51 by Wingfield.

Now reported with Ian Henderson , U.S.A.

BT36-11 .

Marlboro Racing for Silvio Moser 1971.
Poss. for sale MRE . adv. states very little use by a continental driver.

Now reported with Andy Newall U.K. 2003.

BT36-12.

Noritake Takahara [ Japan ].
Used in Japan , then to Aust. and N.Z. for Tasman .
By 1975 Shingeaki Asaoka.

Nothing further known.

I really didn't know where to place this .

BT30-27
Ordered by Bob Jane [ Australia ] but delayed delivery due to engine complications , and when finally ex. factory 23-3-1971 with FT200-452 seems to be a full BT36.
Autosport refers to car in Tasman report as BT30/36 .
Driven by John Harvey in Tasman 1972 , fitted with 2.0 Waggott TC/4V eng.
To Autocourse / Denis Lupton / Ian Cook , with a ford twin-cam. Alot more details , however now with Peter Johnson Sydney Australia.2003.

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 06:34 (Ref:1538851)   #4
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I'm not saying any of the below is right (or yours wrong) but it might add something

1
I have this with Arthur Moore in UK club events 1973

2
Macdonald Macau 1972, later to Bob Howlings UK

5
I have this still with Koob in 1974
I can’t easily find any record of what Choat raced in 1974, but he had a BT30 in 1973 and a BT35 in 1975. In 1974 John Hardesty is racing a car described as the ex-Choat BT36 (which sounds like the BT30)
For sale in Paris 1990

6
Raced in France early 1990s by Yves Bollé. He said it was ex-Ruesch though my notes, like yours, say 6 was Reutemann’s and the other car Ruesch’s

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Eddie Regan Ireland 1973 then Leckie GB, and to Barak 1974 and 75

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Iain McLaren in Scotland 1973, for sale by MRE Nov
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Old 9 Nov 2003, 06:58 (Ref:1538852)   #5
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David .
Thank you , all assistance appreciated.
BT36-1 , and your 1 , O.K. Chris , as I advised had a car with Athur Moore , described as ex Rondel.
So it looks like after G. Hill / Tate of Leeds , the car then may have gone to Arthur Moore.
This certainly helps , because we have the ex. Rondel BT36-9 to John Kendall , via A/S report , and if Moore has BT36-1 , then Chris Townsend advice of an ex. Rondel BT36 with Opert in the U.S.A. could be BT36-9 after Kendall, if we accept that BT36-2 stays in Japan , or at least that area for a fair while.

McDonald certainly did not keep his car very long , and perhaps he traded in when he rec'd new BT40 , and that's how car gets back to the U.K.so quickly.

Noted re.-5.

BT36-6 , argh. how does one escape out of Argentina. ????

Chris also advised re. BT36-10 to Iain McLaren , but I thought that may have been covered with somewhere else that I stiched McLaren into, guess not ,

As usual this is going to become messy the further we travel. We can only try.

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 07:25 (Ref:1538853)   #6
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Another problem car is the adv. A/S 27-4-1972 p17.
M. Wayne / Brabham Racing Services for sale BT36 F2 FVA.

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 09:12 (Ref:1538854)   #7
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I don't have any problem with McLaren having two cars - BT35X/1 in 1972 and BT36/10 in 1973 (which is what my records say)

Nor am I fazed by Malcolm Wayne's car. My records say BT36/1 went to him from Tate of Leeds in 1972, then to Howlings (who didn't race it) and in 1973 to Moore

I am however (like you?) cynical about the provenance of the French BT36/6....
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Old 9 Nov 2003, 20:52 (Ref:1538855)   #8
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As always , thank you.

I would like to see the trail of the French ex. Auto. Club Argentina car, BT36-6/-7.
In Australia , if the car was ex. Argentina , and ex. the museum , we would be requiring Bill of Sale at the very least.
Looks like we will have to keep an eye on that one.

I will get back to you re. BT36-1 's adverts. as I just went to check A/S and the Tate adv. is there , but not the Wayne , so I made a typo. re. date and need to check.

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Old 9 Nov 2003, 21:59 (Ref:1538856)   #9
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Well Roy James had a good taste in cars didn't he? Perhaps he should have stayed away from trains.

BT36-6, see www.museofangio.com/visita/fit_nivel5_auto3.html
for a photo of it now in the Fangio Museum. The list of races there is the same as I have it for that chassis, so if Ruesch never swapped cars with Reutemann then Yves Bolle's Automovile Club Argentina car might have been 7? I had assumed that 6, like Bryan,had never left Argentina but that could be quite wrong. In that case where is 36-7 and the two 30's?

BT36-2 I had understood been raced by MacDonald in SE Asia with an FVA 'till Macau where he had a twin cam. I didn't realise that Bob Howlings later had it in the UK. In which case how did it end up on a garage wall in Malaysia where Norberg found it?
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Old 9 Nov 2003, 22:26 (Ref:1538857)   #10
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Only problem is we do not know if that is BT36-6 do we.
My Spanish is non existent , but I cannot see anything that looks like a ch.no. in the summary.

I wonder if we can send them an email in English and ask about all 4 cars, and also ask re. ch.pl. numbers.

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BT36/2
I didn't mention it earlier, but my notes say this car was with Mike Freeman in the UK for "many years". No dates, but some time between Howlings and Norberg (who I believe acquired it in 1993). I didn't hear any "Malaysian garage wall stories" but if they're true, they suggest the Howlings/Freeman car might have been a different ex-Rondel car

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Garage wall story came direct from Leif when I spoke to him about a month ago. The son, for whom the car had been bought, died racing in the states so there it remained. What I dont know is where it went after John MacDonald in Hong Kong & before it got to the wall!! Stayed out in SE Asia?
(John MacDonald was at last weekends Macau 50th, he's won more classes there than anyone else)

David I wonder when "Fred Opert brought an ex Rondel car to the States"? because MidAm Formula Atlantic Championship winner for 1980 was Robert Willis, StL, Brabham BT36. www.midiv.org/PDF/MidamChamps.pdf I have no American publications to cross check this to see if BT36 is correct. Also I can not find any other mention of a BT36 in the States either -apart from Ian Hendersons own import and he hasn't heard of one either.
On a more positive note I hope to have another 36 chassis number accounted for very shortly.

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BT36-10 History

I bought BT36-10 as a rolling chassis in Dec 76 from Mike Gue (dealer) in London. Was previously raced by Nick Overall in FA in UK (1975 season).I would like to confirm the ownership between 73 and 74. Did Iain McClaren have this BT36-10 for two years competing in hillclimb events. Appreciate any A/S references or other articles

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Old 12 Nov 2003, 21:20 (Ref:1538864)   #14
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Wellcome.

As I expected , to sort these cars out as best we can , I am now in the middle of trolling through every A/S that I have , and recording every item in relation to a car that sounds like one of ''ours ''.
I am basically at the end of 1974 , as I type , and a lot of strange entities are arrising , as the cars are now being used in sprints etc. and not a lot of good info. is forthcoming.
Therefore I am about to do a month by month grid of known cars , and will then end up with cars not able to be ident. at that time , or cars whose whereabouts are unknown.

Mike Gue , did his business have a trading name????

At the moment , the last I have , and I am trying month by month ,is an advert.
David McKinney , noted your report re . later by MaClaren.

Autosport , Nov. 9th. 1972.

BT36 , Chassis no.10 , believed last space frame Brabham F2 car. Fitted with all latest tweaks : Rondel nose , 15" rear wheels, Brabham modified front suspension for latest front tyres.Very competitive ( 8th Albi G.P.) but much easier to repair and maintain than a monocoque car. With wet and dry tyres on wheels, complete set spare suspension links, dampers, drive shafts,nose,radiator. Fitted battery, BD4 exhaust, graviner, is absolutely complete less engine. 3000.00 pds.
Contact John Wingfield or Roger Tolson. Ascot 20040.

I will need a few days to collate all this info into a better chrono. order , and then will return with lots of really obscure owners trying to sort them into ch.no. cars.

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Hi Bryan,
Mike Gue did have a business trading name, I believe he was tied in with a F3 Engine supplier, Nelson Racing Engines. My car was advertised in A/S Dec. 76 under a private number, but was sold to Mike Gue before I could respond to the advert. Nick Overall sold the BT36-10 in late 75 to someone? (did not race in 76) that placed an advert in A/S in Dec 76.

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