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Old 5 Nov 2012, 07:08 (Ref:3162769)   #151
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I was in the Caserta race and seeing the result of the crash thought it was time to retire before it was my turn! Malcolm Smith
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Old 5 Nov 2012, 07:24 (Ref:3162771)   #152
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Thanks for all this and thanks again for your time when we spoke this morning.

The Ravenscroft Brabham twin cam would be the ex-Tony Griffith/Gray & Agnes Mickel/Griffith again/Chris Court car - a BT21A I believe.

We're still trying to get our heads around Norman Foulds' Brabhams. At Brands Hatch in Jan 1967, which would be after your BT9 but before the David Bridges BT18, you raced a Brabham and Autosport said "Malcolm Smith in Nick Foulds' BT15". I'm sure they meant Norman, not Nick, but were they right that you were driving his car?
Hi Allen great talking to you
Yes I raced Norman Foulds car at Brands in jan 67 the car owned by David Bridges this is the car I was cut out of at Oulton Park In March 67 I have photo's of the car at Brands and hope to have the photo of the remains after the crash .
Remember I took 16mm film of my 67 season which I am happy to put on disc for you . Malcolm
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Old 5 Nov 2012, 08:00 (Ref:3162778)   #153
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Hi Allen great talking to you
Yes I raced Norman Foulds car at Brands in jan 67 the car owned by David Bridges this is the car I was cut out of at Oulton Park In March 67 I have photo's of the car at Brands and hope to have the photo of the remains after the crash .
Remember I took 16mm film of my 67 season which I am happy to put on disc for you . Malcolm
Just to throw a spanner in the works I raced at Snetterton in may 67 in the 21 and lapped Norman Foulds this I remember well as I was given a right *******ing from David Bridges for nearly taking Norman off in the move !
So what car was he in as the Oulton car had been scrapped.

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Old 5 Nov 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3162825)   #154
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This is puzzling Chris and me as well. As far as we can tell, the fist time you drove Bridges' BT18 was at Snetterton on 5 Mar 1967 as the report on Oulton 11 Mar 1967 says it was your second drive in the car. So whatever you drove at Brands in January must have been a different car. Was this definitely a David Bridges car or did Foulds have his own car?

This Brands January car could then be the car you remember lapping at Snetterton in May.
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Old 5 Nov 2012, 19:00 (Ref:3163014)   #155
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This is puzzling Chris and me as well. As far as we can tell, the fist time you drove Bridges' BT18 was at Snetterton on 5 Mar 1967 as the report on Oulton 11 Mar 1967 says it was your second drive in the car. So whatever you drove at Brands in January must have been a different car. Was this definitely a David Bridges car or did Foulds have his own car?

This Brands January car could then be the car you remember lapping at Snetterton in May.
Allen for definite in 1967 I only drove two F3 Brabhams, with the 21 arriving for me to race in Barcelona in April to replace the Oulton crashed car.
Foulds had his own car until he took over my seat, but I will try to find more out re Foulds for you
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Old 5 Nov 2012, 19:40 (Ref:3163037)   #156
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Allen for definite in 1967 I only drove two F3 Brabhams, with the 21 arriving for me to race in Barcelona in April to replace the Oulton crashed car.
Foulds had his own car until he took over my seat, but I will try to find more out re Foulds for you
Been in touch with Fred Smith who worked with us in David Bridges Racing.
He confirms that Norman had his own car a BT9 and took over my chassis but with his own engine and gearbox ,the financing of which eventually got him into trouble!
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Old 6 Nov 2012, 05:54 (Ref:3163198)   #157
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Been in touch with Fred Smith who worked with us in David Bridges Racing.
He confirms that Norman had his own car a BT9 and took over my chassis but with his own engine and gearbox ,the financing of which eventually got him into trouble!
My 152 quote was wrong as was autosports in 1967 it wasn't Norman Foulds car

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Norman Foulds Brabham

Find attached a photo of Normans own BT9 in David B's livery taken at Mallory Park in June 1967, retiring after a coming together with John Cambell.
He kidded me into believing that he aquired it from Roy James,but that was Norman!
Norman unfortunately was tragically killed when his light aircraft left Blackpool for the Isle of Man,but went down in the Irish Sea a number of years ago.
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Old 9 Nov 2012, 20:12 (Ref:3164713)   #159
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Find attached a photo of Normans own BT9 in David B's livery taken at Mallory Park in June 1967, retiring after a coming together with John Cambell.
He kidded me into believing that he aquired it from Roy James,but that was Norman!
Norman unfortunately was tragically killed when his light aircraft left Blackpool for the Isle of Man,but went down in the Irish Sea a number of years ago.
Thanks very much Ossy. That's a real find!

Anyone here able to confirm that is a BT9?
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Old 24 Nov 2012, 19:10 (Ref:3170663)   #160
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David Bridges Last Brabham F3 car

Speaking of Norman Foulds & his ties with David Bridges Brabhams.
Find attached a photo of Norman in David B's last F3 car being the B.T. 21.

The photo was taken during the 1969 season when D.B. was winding down his sponsoring efforts.
The following year Norman purchased a new Chevron B17 teaming up with Barrie Maskell to form the N.E.R.O. partnership.

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Old 16 Feb 2014, 09:13 (Ref:3368999)   #161
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Old italian race entry sheets

During my research on Alfa Romeo race cars, i have found and bought a collection of old race documents from he 60s (entry sheets/technical inspection sheets) from Italy, these also included documents regarding the following cars:

F3-1-65
F3-9-65
F3-14-65
F3-16-65
F3-17-65
F3-59-65

I would like to sell these documents to the owners of the cars, so if you are an owner of any of these cars, please send me a private mail.

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Old 19 Dec 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3486487)   #162
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Going through some old files, found this in a letter from Martyn Smith, dated
14/12/1990 ; ownership records of F3-33-66.

1966 Mike Knight
1967 Tony Dean
1968-69 John Hooper
1970-71 John Berry
1971-75 Ian Beardsley
1975-78 Mike Brett
1979-80 Mike Hartley
1981-84 Tim Williams
1985 Hubertus Huppauff ( never raced, kept in England, owned only
a few months)
1985-90 Martyn Smith.
1990 Advertised in A/S oct. 11,1990 for 28750 Pounds
Hope this fills in a few holes
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Currently in the USA. I found it advertised for sale by sheer luck on the,
"1000cc F3 Historic Racing Association" web site in the UK. Now fitted with a twin cam engine US$50,000, seller is Jay D Galpin.

Just phoned Mike Brett and told him I had found our old Brabham, he said he is not going to make a come back.
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Old 21 May 2015, 13:41 (Ref:3539917)   #163
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Hi there Pat,

I thought I'd make contact to try and put this matter to rest, and you must understand I am in no way trying to usurp your cars' identity, or cast doubt on your research, I simply want to find out the truth. There are just a couple of questions which may help me correctly identify the car with AM-32 chassis stamp, which is now in my ownership back in the UK. I will deal one-by one from your original post:

Close inspection of the US car will reveal that it is not a 1965 BT15 frame. 15s were built in 65 and 66 remember.

May I respectfully ask who inspected on your behalf the chassis of the US car and concluded it is not a 1965 BT15 frame? I would like to contact that person with a view to comparing findings with a couple of highly respected Brabham chassis experts here in the UK.... now that the chassis is stripped and ready for crack testing /blasting / powder-coating - this is an ideal opportunity to compare notes, and compare with another two BT15's we have access to.

I also wonder why, when the car only ever ran as F3 in England and FC in America the US a car with patently incorrect chassis and twin cam engine that it never used in the day is given any credence anyway.

You will find many such examples of 1960's F3 cars now running twincams, particularly here in the UK in the HSCC Classic Racing Car series. I think there are a lot of respected and talented owner / drivers that might take exception to your statement regarding credence of cars now sporting twincams. The fact that the US AM-32 car had one does not in any way call into question its provenance. If you were referring to its BT18 rear uprights, and the consequential re-location of the radius arm mountings on the chassis, you will find they were a modification / upgrade available in-period (I am told).

My car has almost bullet proof provenance except for 1966-74 and its US log books from 1974.

Might I ask precisely what you purchased, in other words, I assume you bought a complete car: chassis, wheels, engine, gearbox, bodywork, suspension, brakes, steering rack, radiator, piping, seat, Brabham steering wheel, and the US Logbooks?

If I have been sold a fake, I will clearly be found-out by the experts here in the UK, and you will have been proven correct.... however, it has been suggested that Arch Motors made a batch of frames in 1965 and another batch in1966, leads to the fact under their frame numbering system, there would have been two frames bearing the AM-32 stamp..... perhaps?
Well, well, well ! The original owner of this car from the UK has turned up, along with his mechanic from the 1965/66 season. He has given us lots of background and history on the chassis etc. I am happy to provide the entire story and history to Chis Townsend and Allen Brown, along with eye-witness evidence of the authenticity of the chassis 'AM-32' we have - and believe me there is a good story attached to it! He is also sending me period photos which I hope he will allow me to post here. More information to follow shortly.
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Well, well, well ! The original owner of this car from the UK has turned up, along with his mechanic from the 1965/66 season. He has given us lots of background and history on the chassis etc. I am happy to provide the entire story and history to Chis Townsend and Allen Brown, along with eye-witness evidence of the authenticity of the chassis 'AM-32' we have - and believe me there is a good story attached to it! He is also sending me period photos which I hope he will allow me to post here. More information to follow shortly.
That's great news. I look forward to hearing the whole story.
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That's great news. I look forward to hearing the whole story.
Private message sent - I am also going to copy Chris Townsend in as well.
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