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With regards to rallying 'moving on' the problem is bigger than just "frankenstein" Escorts. |
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Agreed, but if organisers were encouraged to have classes based on age periods (pre 1970; 1971-1980, 1981-1990 etc) with OEM engines, induction and gearboxes only then it would be a start.
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26 Sep 2018, 17:19 (Ref:3852814) | #78 | |
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I've never quite got the whole escort thing, they're not escorts most of them. Much like putting a duratec in a mk1 Cortina . . Leave the poor car alone and buy a focus st!
If Ford had a brain, they'd re release a modern rwd car. There would be a queue round the block! |
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The appeal of Escorts in rallying now is that there is still a very good support and spares network, inc kits for upgrades, and crucially, they are very light. The rules in rallying encourage it. Why would anyone rally a 250 bhp 1100 kg car when theycan rally a 250 bhp 850 kg one. |
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Why not limit engine revs & BHP to that when cars were built in period. This would stop the mega buck engines being built and sold to very rich!!!
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I certainly think that rallying should adopt class structures based on OEM engines and within defined eras (70s, 80’s etc) plus pukka historics and moderns etc, but you try suggesting that on the “British Rally Forum”! |
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27 Sep 2018, 08:49 (Ref:3852901) | #82 | |
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My opinion of historic motorsport is now that Once a certain fraternity get involved anything goes.
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We built a mk 4 Escort for the modified ford championship,some years ago,that died and morfed into CTRCC Boss,was surprised to see another new Ford series at Cadwell Park recently,only had 6 cars. I was told that the last round at Rockingham was cancelled due to lack of entries.It seems that on that basis dedicated Escort effort would not work. I assume most Escorts are spread round other championships.It seems that a number of new championships are proposed every year,at Cadwell Park recently a new Westfield series was supposed to make its debut!
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I have wondered, though, why the HSCC dont seen to allow the Escort in to its 70s Roadsports series. Westfields would be better off racing in CSCC Magnificent 7s, in their own class if neccessary. |
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The 'K37' changes to the MSA regs also made things worse - they made it a lot harder to build heavily modified cars. Previously you could have taken a Fiesta 7 shell and converted to RWD (gives you the fun factor in a modern shell - Escort running gear can be used so parts availability is good). Innovation used to be possible - I remember competing against a 205 with a spaceframed rear end and motorbike engine in the back, Andy Burtons 306 anyone? Much harder to do that now so Escort it is. There are some more modern cars that I've been impressed with - oddly both Citroens - C2's always look like quite good fun if they've got a snorty motor and there's a very tidy DS3 1.6T that's been out and about and that shifts along nicely (ends up in the same class as the Millington Escorts usually). You can't really post anything on there if you're not part of the clique, everything just gets derailed by the usual suspects spouting their usual rubbish whether it's relevant or not. I largely gave up with that some time ago. |
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[QUOTE=BertMk2;3852921]The reason we went Escort is that my driver had one as his first car. Years later he bought another as a 'nostalgic toy' - eventually it morphed into a rally car. That got stolen and we replaced it with another Escort - we still had spares and the alternatives weren't as 'fun'. RWD, lots of parts / knowledge available - it's 'easy' to build an Escort - you're not trying to develop the tech yourself[QUOTE]
It's not a criminal offence! [QUOTE] You can't really post anything on there if you're not part of the clique, everything just gets derailed by the usual suspects spouting their usual rubbish whether it's relevant or not. I largely gave up with that some time ago.[QUOTE] How right you are! |
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There was a Mk2 RS2000 running in ‘70s years ago, but the powers that run roadsports decided it was a saloon, not ‘sports’ car........ The Capri was deemed OK, however. They let the new owner of the Gp1 RS I built to race on a couple of occasions last year, but in an invitation class.
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Not entirely sure that there is a great deal of difference between a 2 door Escort and a Cavalier, Firenza, Corolla Liftback, Opel Commodore or Mustang GT etc. They allow the RX7 to race and that won in the British SALOON Car Championship. Lol! An Escort Mexico, Harrier, RS2000 etc are definitely the "70s Roadsports" cars of the range. maybe HSCC should recognise that the 70s was a time of change and allow "Hot Hatches" in, too. Hey Ho |
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I argued that the HRSR (gp5 saloons) should allow mk1 Escort 1300 GT's in . . . . always seemed odd to have post 66 regs with pre 66 cars
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Reading this thread confirms my utmost respect for Ford. What other company has produced vehicles that can take such a variety of modification? From the Ruddspeed Zephyr, via the 1500GT Anglia (my personal fave) to the Escort in all its guises. And for professional motorsport who can beat the Capri? Only BMW who were/are vastly more expensive.[/Off Topic] And back to the thread. |
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The HSCC have written to the competitors who took part in the Brands Escort races asking if they would be interested in two or three repeats at their meetings next season.
Easy to say ‘Yes’, but will obviously depend on where and when....... |
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