Historic Racers In Europe - Carnet Requirements?

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

The whole point about carnets of both types is to avoid paying import duty on goods for temporary import and then re-export.

However as the deal we signed with EU is duty-free and quota-free, where is the need?

Anyone?

VAT?

As for those mentioning the "duplicate list" (something I've never heard of), have a look at the very limited goods you can use it for.

[Alfaholic]

One piece of 'good' news is that at least those of you lucky enough to own vehicles over 50 years old and valued at over £65,000 won't need to apply for an export licence each time you take it abroad for a race meeting as there is a specific exemption

2.An individual export licence is not required to export the following goods
...
c)any motor vehicle (wherever registered) over 50 years of age (other than those designed or adapted for military or paramilitary use) temporarily exported for a period of less than 6 months for use for social, domestic or pleasure purposes (including attendance at or participation in a race, rally, or non-commercial exhibition)

From https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/sites...1%202021_0.pdf

And to reply to Gerard's comment of "And who can check if you leave your country with a top notch engine in your van and bring back a total wreck with no crank/pistons. Nobody! "

The engine number would have to be quoted on the carnet and Border Force can check. The same applies to chassis numbers for complete vehicles.

[Duddha]

I would just say that yes the FIA is investigating.

The fact is that this has and will have an impact on the sport and the fault is to put on the Brexit. EU and all major countries such as Switzerland and even all the way to Turkey have built and have had agreements for circulations of goods for years, it did not happen overnight. So clarification and answer cannot either be expected overnight either as it's not as straightforward as one may think.

Commercial, non-commercial, registered, non-registered, there are various aspects linked to customs but not only. The other aspect is that glimpse and bits of information spread over huge number of posts will not answer the questions. Wait and information will be clarified.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Duddha

I would just say that yes the FIA is investigating.

The fact is that this has and will have an impact on the sport and the fault is to put on the Brexit. EU and all major countries such as Switzerland and even all the way to Turkey have built and have had agreements for circulations of goods for years, it did not happen overnight. So clarification and answer cannot either be expected overnight either as it's not as straightforward as one may think.

Commercial, non-commercial, registered, non-registered, there are various aspects linked to customs but not only. The other aspect is that glimpse and bits of information spread over huge number of posts will not answer the questions. Wait and information will be clarified.

Thanks again Louis, I suspect you will receive encouragement from many sources including Redwater and Peter Auto, Masters and possibly MRL to name a few.

It does appear that the MSUK arrangement has followed a business rather than an "amateur" approach which is strange since I suspect their biggest audience would be us amateurs.

[delta]

Thanks for starting this tread. I hope in a couple of weeks what I have to do both as a race car prep team and private racer will be laid out in an understanding manor for all.I remember being down the pub and everyone telling me how much better off I am going to be by leaving the E U. " I wanted to stay BTW ".

[Peter Mallett]

Yes, some things will take time to resolve but hopefully with Louis and the FIA on the case we can get some clarity.

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Right, I understand your point of view. Seems that should you cross the border its either you declare to be a tourist travelling for leasure only or a pro, the last involving a carnet. Hope this will be amended for Motorsport at least.
But prepare yourself to an increase in costs and time spent.

It does not work like that, customs have the right to review that and commercial (pro) or non-commercial operations although defined, it's like the fact a singleseater may in fact have a registration, the customs still have power to stop, review and oblige you into another procedure as the intention prevails, therefore ATA is the way to go. Just like duplicate listings only cover particular items, say you have a spare engine, this falls under the carnet policy as I understand it right now.

[andy97]

I was hoping to go to Spa this year with CSCC in June; I have only raced there once, a few years ago, and had a difficult time with an unreliable car so I had promised myself another go, possibly in the Mk2 Escort.
Cant see me bothering now; it’s already a very expensive meeting by my standards and if the bill rises by another few hundred pounds that is the difference between me going or not. Oh well, at least I can say I raced there once.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by andy97

I was hoping to go to Spa this year with CSCC in June; I have only raced there once, a few years ago, and had a difficult time with an unreliable car so I had promised myself another go, possibly in the Mk2 Escort.
Cant see me bothering now; it’s already a very expensive meeting by my standards and if the bill rises by another few hundred pounds that is the difference between me going or not. Oh well, at least I can say I raced there once.

I am glad that I had the opportunity to race there for years with no paperwork at all and I hope that you will race there in the future when things "might" get sensible again. One thing is that speeding cameras in the EU can't now automatically fine you with UK plates, however it also works for "foreign" vehicles in the UK. So get yourself a foreign plate for use in the UK

[delta]

Originally Posted by andy97

I was hoping to go to Spa this year with CSCC in June; I have only raced there once, a few years ago, and had a difficult time with an unreliable car so I had promised myself another go, possibly in the Mk2 Escort.
Cant see me bothering now; it’s already a very expensive meeting by my standards and if the bill rises by another few hundred pounds that is the difference between me going or not. Oh well, at least I can say I raced there once.

Never say Never Andy. I am telling all my customers just to sit tight and drink tea.or beer. I am sure there will be a sensible solution. We have Louis on our side.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by delta

Never say Never Andy. I am telling all my customers just to sit tight and drink tea.or beer. I am sure there will be a sensible solution. We have Louis on our side.

I certainly won’t make any decisions now. Let’s face it, we can’t even make a decision about where we can go for a walk right now as the rules/ guidance change all the time.
Plenty of water to flow through the North Sea and English Channel yet!

[The Fat Clerk]

One thing is that speeding cameras in the EU can't now automatically fine you with UK plates, [/QUOTE]

Didn't realise that, yet another reason to be glad for Brexit

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

One thing is that speeding cameras in the EU can't now automatically fine you with UK plates,

Didn't realise that, yet another reason to be glad for Brexit [/QUOTE]


Yes, it was mentioned on the front page of the Times today.....apparently Brits are by far the worst offenders in France, and France stand to lose about 60m Euro as a result of losing this income stream. Of course if anything other than an automatic camera gets you, you can still be liable to an on-the-spot cash fine

[midgetman]

Equally it works the other way. Johnny Foreigner will get away with speeding across the UK. We could lose a similar amount

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[Lancsbreaker]

I very much doubt whether we've been organised enough to chase many non-UK drivers up - just like most non UK health service users doon't get checked or charged.