BTCC of yesteryear

Sodemo · 17 Jan 2021, 16:34 (Ref:4029654)

I thought I might create a thread to discuss the BTCC of the past as I myself have been guilty of straying into past history talk in a few threads.

https://www.autosport.com/btcc/news/...ll-astra-coupe

This article caught my eye. Neal stated that after the first few rounds of 2001, the Astra was pegged back by having a bolt inserted under the throttle pedal which only allowed 70-80% throttle. This kinda blew my mind a bit as dont think this was ever disclosed as a performance balancing measure.

Mondeo Man33 · 17 Jan 2021, 18:38 (Ref:4029675)

Yes a very interesting read. I’d heard this mentioned before (“we weren’t even running at full throttle” etc) but I’m not sure I ever really believed it until reading this!

Sodemo · 17 Jan 2021, 18:54 (Ref:4029677)

Well in those days "performance balancing" wasn't really a thing, not in the same way they have now. OK you could argue that in supertouring the different min weight of FWD, RWD and AWD was a performance balancer in a basic sense, but not in the same way as today when engine performance, aero performance, weight all come into play.

Mondeo Man33 · 17 Jan 2021, 19:49 (Ref:4029680)

Yes it’s somewhat more complicated now for sure. I can remember when Charlie Cox demonstrated what a weight penalty looked like by using bags of sugar - it probably wasn’t too far removed from what was actually used in the cars at the time!

S griffin · 18 Jan 2021, 13:25 (Ref:4029845)

I think it’s good to have a thread about the BTCC of the past. There’s plenty to discuss How far back do you want to go?

I saw that article on the Astras too. Success ballast was already around at the time. So the throttle wound back for quali was interesting. I wonder if Vauxhall agreed to it because they knew it wouldn’t make much difference?

CarfanLUFC · 18 Jan 2021, 16:55 (Ref:4029893)

My personal favourite years are 88 to 95. The late 80's saw the last of the Group A cars but what iconic cars they were. Especially 89, plenty of RS500's on the grid.

In 90 some of the Group A grids were a bit thin but the racing was still good.

The racing was also excellent in the early years of the 2.0 litre class and Class B (the birth of super touring)

After 95 I felt the cars became a bit too much, although 98 is seen as the Zenith of Super Touring and some of the racing was superb it's the early days of the category that I enjoy the most.

Genuine mix of professional and Gentlemen drivers as well.

CarfanLUFC · 18 Jan 2021, 16:59 (Ref:4029896)

Did Frank Sytner ever have a teammate he got on with? Mike Smith, James Weaver, Kurt Luby all felt the Sytner anger...................Weaver and Luby for the having the sheer audacity to out race Frank on the track

And let's not forget a certain stalwart of the series in the 80's....

"These turkey's, they're gonna have to start getting up early in the morning if they want to take me and my team on"

Mondeo Man33 · 18 Jan 2021, 19:49 (Ref:4029923)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

I think it’s good to have a thread about the BTCC of the past. There’s plenty to discuss How far back do you want to go?

I saw that article on the Astras too. Success ballast was already around at the time. So the throttle wound back for quali was interesting. I wonder if Vauxhall agreed to it because they knew it wouldn’t make much difference?

That’s a good question! You’d think that a team with an advantage wouldn’t want to give it away, but like you say maybe they knew it wasn’t going to make any difference..

Mondeo Man33 · 18 Jan 2021, 19:55 (Ref:4029924)

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Originally Posted by CarfanLUFC

Did Frank Sytner ever have a teammate he got on with? Mike Smith, James Weaver, Kurt Luby all felt the Sytner anger...................Weaver and Luby for the having the sheer audacity to out race Frank on the track

And let's not forget a certain stalwart of the series in the 80's....

"These turkey's, they're gonna have to start getting up early in the morning if they want to take me and my team on"

I don’t remember hearing about Sytner having a beef with Matt Neal, but I think they were only team mates for one race so he didn’t have much chance!

Was it Dave Brodie who said that? He certainly was a character! His black Sierra Sapphire was a fantastic looking car, I wonder where it is now?

S griffin · 19 Jan 2021, 06:48 (Ref:4029963)

Didn't Pinkney buy the Sapphire for 92, although he didn't actually race it?

touringcarnut · 19 Jan 2021, 08:10 (Ref:4029977)

Discounting the Group A cars, I watched the BTCC at brands in 1990 and the 2 litre cars seem slower than the current NGTC lot?

It might be my eyes deceiving me as obviously the late 90s cars were quicker than the current and past BTC spec but is there are comparison of these cars racing together?

touringcarnut · 19 Jan 2021, 08:26 (Ref:4029979)

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Originally Posted by CarfanLUFC

Did Frank Sytner ever have a teammate he got on with? Mike Smith, James Weaver, Kurt Luby all felt the Sytner anger...................Weaver and Luby for the having the sheer audacity to out race Frank on the track

Winning the 1988 Championship in part because of the class system might have got to one's head! Great racer and character all the same

CarfanLUFC · 19 Jan 2021, 09:38 (Ref:4029986)

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Winning the 1988 Championship in part because of the class system might have got to one's head! Great racer and character all the same

Without doubt, good driver as well which I didn't really give him the credit for in the original post.

He would of course have easily won at Silverstone 91 had the race not been abandoned for the rain storm. Would have been a nice win for the unsponsored privately entered M3 from Pyramid.

steve_r · 19 Jan 2021, 10:20 (Ref:4029988)

Sytner was a great character. Especially when he was upset with his teammates - the double act with him and Mike Smith was often hilarious from my vague recollections.

VIVA GT · 19 Jan 2021, 10:40 (Ref:4029993)

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Originally Posted by CarfanLUFC

Without doubt, good driver as well which I didn't really give him the credit for in the original post.

He would of course have easily won at Silverstone 91 had the race not been abandoned for the rain storm. Would have been a nice win for the unsponsored privately entered M3 from Pyramid.

I'm not so sure about that, Andy Middlehurst was closing fast in the Sierra Cosworth on wet tyres...