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Old 28 Aug 2013, 14:13 (Ref:3295198)   #1
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Donington Superstars-dinner break, what dinner break

Just received my passes for the superstars meeting and find out there is no provision for a dinner break on the Sunday. I can understand when we miss dinner because of the meeting running late due to unforeseen circumstances but when there is no provision for a break in the first place it is unforgivable.
It's just another case of a major series (not club) taking the wet stuff.
I will still be doing the Saturday where there IS a break but unless there is a change of heart I will not be spending 10 hours on post without a break on Sunday.

It is about time we, or the BMMC on our behalf, made a clear statement that it is unacceptable to spend so long on post without a break. Concentrating for that long can lead to fatigue which could lead to mistakes being made.WE ARE ONLY HUMAN!
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 14:19 (Ref:3295207)   #2
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You are not aware about the bacon roll that will appear magically to your post at sometime during both days that has been organised .. I also saw that timetable and thought we need to do something.. I appreciate it's not much but every little helps.. PS we are also supplying 350 bottles of water for marshals to take one each per day..
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 16:02 (Ref:3295252)   #3
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I noticed the lack of a lunch break as well and will only be there on the Sunday..

I have also noticed the gaps between the races are between 20 to 30mins each so might still get some down time, at least enough to enjoy the bacon roll!!

Even without the lunch break I am looking forward to this! Hopefully get my flag assessment sorted as well :-)
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 18:58 (Ref:3295336)   #4
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I noticed the lack of a lunch break as well and will only be there on the Sunday..

I have also noticed the gaps between the races are between 20 to 30mins each so might still get some down time, at least enough to enjoy the bacon roll!!

Even without the lunch break I am looking forward to this! Hopefully get my flag assessment sorted as well :-)
Most of the races are lap races so I don't know how you come by the 20-30 min downtime
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 19:09 (Ref:3295341)   #5
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Just received my passes for the superstars meeting and find out there is no provision for a dinner break on the Sunday. I can understand when we miss dinner because of the meeting running late due to unforeseen circumstances but when there is no provision for a break in the first place it is unforgivable.
Was the timetable not available on line? Was it not possible to check beforehand the Sunday format?

Lunch is for wimps anyway

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Old 28 Aug 2013, 19:20 (Ref:3295348)   #6
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Most of the races are lap races so I don't know how you come by the 20-30 min downtime
The first race has a finish time of 9.20, the next race starts at 9.50 and the race after that starts at 11.

The auto gp cars are not what I would call slow so a 21 lap race from the is going to be 30 to 40 mins on the full gp circuit and still would be giving around 30mins before the next race which is the superstars which is 25mins plus 1 lap.

That will give us around 15mins before a timed 15min qual season that finishes 20mins before the next race...

This seems to be the trend for the whole day, mostly 20min gaps, with 30min gaps before the superstars races and a 15min gap before the only qual on Sunday.. That's how I am reading it anyway :-)
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 19:34 (Ref:3295352)   #7
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Remember "All times are provisional & may be changed without notice. It is the competitors responsibility ... to be in the assembly area no later than 20 minutes prior to start of the Qualifying or Race. ...."

Unless it's live TV
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 20:01 (Ref:3295365)   #8
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Remember "All times are provisional & may be changed without notice. It is the competitors responsibility ... to be in the assembly area no later than 20 minutes prior to start of the Qualifying or Race. ...."

Unless it's live TV
Lol that's a good point!
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 20:23 (Ref:3295374)   #9
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You are not aware about the bacon roll that will appear magically to your post at sometime during both days that has been organised .. I also saw that timetable and thought we need to do something.. I appreciate it's not much but every little helps.. PS we are also supplying 350 bottles of water for marshals to take one each per day..
no butter and no sauce please roy
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 20:44 (Ref:3295380)   #10
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[QUOTE=thepits!;3295341]Was the timetable not available on line? Was it not possible to check beforehand the Sunday format?
not until a long time after volunteering

Lunch is for wimps anyway
and it's hero's like you with remarks like that that allows them to get away with it

We're volunteers after all, we can hack it, or if you don't like it, don't do it
Yes we are volunteers and should be treated as such and not taken for granted

10 hours continuous on post and a 2 hour drive at both ends of the day, I will be there but if I start flagging towards the end don't blame me
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Old 28 Aug 2013, 20:47 (Ref:3295381)   #11
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As I love being controversial:

My view is that if there is no planned lunch break then it is your decision whether or not to attend. We all know that things can happen which reduce any planned break - that's why we always take food with us.

But if you know there is going to be no break then don't go and then complain about it afterwards.

So long as there is a loo nearby then ignore whether or not there is a break and think about what cars are out there and what the racing will be like. That should be what you base your decision on as to whether or not to attend a meeting.

But we all still whinge afterwards when a planned break is curtailed. Isn't that why we're marshals?
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Lunch is for wimps anyway
The lunch break is not necessarily a time for eating lunch but more a time for: stretching your legs, having a sit down, using the facilities, having a change of scenery, meeting other marshals and competitors in the Paddock and on many occasions removing yourself from whatever the weather has thrown at you - be it sun, rain, snow or wind.
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Most people - me & Stack included - will have volunteered for this back in March or April, long before a timetable was even thought of.

I'll be there both days, but I respect the decision of anyone who decides not to be. I hope we're not left short of people on Sunday but if we are then the reason will be obvious.

I hope all the post chiefs will have enough people to rotate some off duty for a decent break either side what we might term "lunch time"
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But we all still whinge afterwards when a planned break is curtailed. Isn't that why we're marshals?
I didn't hear any serious whingeing at Oulton on Monday when the lunch break was reduced to five minutes' stand down on post because of a major incident. We all accept that - what we whinge about is the lack of a lunch break because of an impossible timetable or a badly-run meeting.

Volunteers or not, I see no reason why we shouldn't get the same working hour deal as would be legally required if we were employees.

(Not that that's anything to do with the meeting at Donington!)
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As I love being controversial:

We all know that things can happen which reduce any planned break - that's why we always take food with us.
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But we all still whinge afterwards when a planned break is curtailed. Isn't that why we're marshals?
Maybe, but I don't mind having a planned break curtailed because of incidents. At least then, there has been some consideration shown for us. If I'd received my tickets before I'd paid for my hotel, they would have been straight back in the post. As it is, I now know not to volunteer next year.
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