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Old 17 Sep 2019, 02:56 (Ref:3928440)   #1
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Sandown TCR and S5000

Sandon Park this weekend hosts an amazingly varied program of events and categories. Headline act is TCR Australia, can the Alfa of Dylan O'Keefe get back in front or will Will Brown show the dominance he had at Winton? Can the VWs be up there again as at Winton or will Sandowns long straights work against them?


S5000 has created huge interest and has attracted a field of drivers with a great variety of experience. Can star signing Rubins Barrichello use his experience to see off young guns Brown and Capo and will the testing and F3 experience of Tim Macrow win the day.

Add on the Porsche GT3 Challenge, Australian GT and the increasingly impressive Australian Production cars and it is a program of events that Supercars will probably envy.


The only downer appears to be possible ordinary weather.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 06:07 (Ref:3928462)   #2
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Unfortunately, it wouldn't be Sandown in September without ordinary weather
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 09:19 (Ref:3928483)   #3
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The Barrichello mobile looks pretty cool in "Ferrari" red. Matt Brabham can hopefully find some of the form that saw him star on the "Road to Indy" program a few years ago.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 14:09 (Ref:3928529)   #4
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Unfortunately, it wouldn't be Sandown in September without ordinary weather
Currently saying showers Saturday but not much on Sunday, which suits me.

Main interest is the S5000 but will be good to see TCR and the proddies too, don't often get to non historic meetings these days.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 22:16 (Ref:3928592)   #5
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Looks like a 13 car field will line up for the first ever race meeting for S5000 with NZ driver Tyler Cockerton the latest announcement with one more to come today at the Phillip Island test day.
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 00:01 (Ref:3928602)   #6
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 00:09 (Ref:3928604)   #7
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Looking forward to the weekend.
Great mix of categories, and looking forward to seeing the S5000's have a run for he first time.
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 00:30 (Ref:3928605)   #8
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 02:57 (Ref:3928775)   #9
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Hopefully no damage to the tub & able to be repaired in time.
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Old 20 Sep 2019, 04:33 (Ref:3929013)   #10
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The attempts to attract drivers to S5000 somehow reminds me of when CAMS introduced F4 to this country.

BTW can we bring all Oz open wheeler discussion to this forum now such as FF, FV etc? What are the mods views on this as the precedent seems to have been set with the inclusion of S5000.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 00:17 (Ref:3929305)   #11
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Live feed ...S5000 on now..... http://www.thenationals.com.au/live/

Works internationally. (Im watching it in Spain)
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 06:49 (Ref:3929356)   #12
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The S5000 cars were quite spectacular but the sound reproduction on the SBS free to air broadcast wasted a lot of the spectacle.
The short duration of the race due to safety-cars didn't really give the new series the exposure it needed. Davo tested the halo and crash-worthyness fairly convincingly. Fence structures failing at Sandown have always been a drag and over the tears we have lost many laps of racing while rebuilding them.
The real need is to get some seat time for drivers so that we can get some racing over a reasonable duration. A few testing days at PI would probably improve the entertainment (and probably save some money).

Only watched the FTA on Sunday. How was the streaming?
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 08:52 (Ref:3929367)   #13
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Streaming quality was great. The whole package however needs a big cuddle to bring it up to scratch.

Huge S5000 crash.
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Only watched the FTA on Sunday. How was the streaming?
Stream worked fine for me (only watched on Sunday), but I also watched the replay of qualifying and heat 1. Cars look a bit tricky to drive, especially on cold tyres. Looks like it's going to be an interesting series in the future; will definitely be tuning in for The Bend.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 09:46 (Ref:3929374)   #15
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How was the streaming?
Worked well internationally as well. I watched it in the early hours from Spain without any problems.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 13:28 (Ref:3929425)   #16
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BTW can we bring all Oz open wheeler discussion to this forum now such as FF, FV etc? What are the mods views on this as the precedent seems to have been set with the inclusion of S5000.
Can a Moderator please address this instead of trying to ignore it please.
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Streaming quality was great. The whole package however needs a big cuddle to bring it up to scratch.

Huge S5000 crash.
It wouldn't be a big banger open wheel race at Sandown without someone trying to rip up metres of fencing.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 23:21 (Ref:3929552)   #18
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Yeah, I thought that was fairly authentic.
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Old 23 Sep 2019, 02:44 (Ref:3929567)   #19
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I was trackside for Saturday and Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed the weekend. Couldn’t believe how many people there were for a Shannon’s National round. S5000 still is a big drawcard.
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Old 23 Sep 2019, 04:23 (Ref:3929572)   #20
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I was trackside for Saturday and Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed the weekend. Couldn’t believe how many people there were for a Shannon’s National round. S5000 still is a big drawcard.
Yes an excellent crowd. The S5000s were spectacular especially the start of the second Qualifying race on Sunday. TCR provided great racing . ARG now have a great and varied line up of RELEVANT categories and have definitely ARRIVED on the Australian racing scene.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 02:53 (Ref:3929813)   #21
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The quicker the AGR mob can get away from sharing meetings with stupid CAMS categories the better. The entertainment value would increase enormously

Sunday's race 3 at Sandown was for CAMS Endurance Championship (GT3 etc).This was for 60 minutes. There were only 12 starters and 10 finishers and only 2 cars finished on the lead lap. HOW BORING

The final Sunday race was for 2 Hr 40 minutes and only 12 starters and 7 finishers. Again only two cars on lead lap. Again HOW BORING

The second last race was for Australian Production car Series. over 45 minutes
Only 16 starters and 14 finishers.

These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 03:03 (Ref:3929815)   #22
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Not really a CAMS problem.

Both GT and Production Cars have ongoing internal issues within their respective management groups.
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The quicker the AGR mob can get away from sharing meetings with stupid CAMS categories the better. The entertainment value would increase enormously

Sunday's race 3 at Sandown was for CAMS Endurance Championship (GT3 etc).This was for 60 minutes. There were only 12 starters and 10 finishers and only 2 cars finished on the lead lap. HOW BORING

The final Sunday race was for 2 Hr 40 minutes and only 12 starters and 7 finishers. Again only two cars on lead lap. Again HOW BORING

The second last race was for Australian Production car Series. over 45 minutes
Only 16 starters and 14 finishers.

These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.
I’m pretty sure this won’t be the case next year.They were with the Nationals to establish themselves but seem to be setting up a program of categories to run their own meetings.A program with TCR,S5000,TCM ,TA2 and maybe 1 other would be a terrific show
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These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.

No one is being forced to watch it.

While the boring enduro race is on, have a tour of the pits and check out the S5000 and TCR machinery.

As for the last 2 races, well they're the last 2 races. Head home after the 3rd last race....

Most punters probably went to check out TCR and S5000. Most likely paid their admission without giving much thought to the other supports.


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Old 24 Sep 2019, 10:33 (Ref:3929858)   #25
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The last race can't have been 2hr 40, it started well after 5pm.

Both GT and production have issues causing small fields but the production class had some good racing eg M4 vs Mustang plus others down the field. The Sunday am GT race had GT coming through the field in the Audi although I spent a fair bit of it in the pits etc.
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