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Old 25 Apr 2009, 16:09 (Ref:2449296)   #1
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Force India, are they that bad?

Is it just me or does the car look half decent and its the drivers that are letting them down, i have to say i dont think Sutil is anything other than competent, and that is being generous, and Fisi, whilst he was a fine driver in his day is now way past his best. I my opinion if you had a Senna, Pantano or di Resta in the car, Q2 would be on every other race at least.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 16:19 (Ref:2449305)   #2
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The car doesn't look that good. It was late in coming and was built by the smallest, weakest team on the grid. It was never going to be all that great.

I'd be surprised if any of the three you mention could get it into Q2. Senna is raw, Pantano is an F1 reject and di Resta, well, what do we have to go by?

F1 is so close right now that it is difficult for anyone to progress, let alone FI.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 16:39 (Ref:2449327)   #3
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Is it just me or does the car look half decent and its the drivers that are letting them down, i have to say i dont think Sutil is anything other than competent, and that is being generous
Don't Sutil's excellent performances in the wet count for anything? To me he's proven he could be good if he had a decent car underneath him.
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I think it's the same old story, the pilot can only shine if the car is up to to the task..
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 17:21 (Ref:2449346)   #5
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I think FI are doing a great job.Unfortunately the teams in front of them are all doing a slightly better one.Could be a force (sorry) to reckon with if the 30m budget comes along.
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Yes, the budget limitation could help. But I'm still not sure I'd tikka chance on them at the bookies.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 17:43 (Ref:2449355)   #7
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 19:08 (Ref:2449392)   #8
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I think its relatively slow, by 2009 standards, but in reality its not a bad car. Look at the difference in Q3 (or Q2) times from front to back and the field is actually pretty close compared to 3-4 or even 10 years ago.

Unfortunate situation, but I dont really see how they will work the way up.... IMHO its not so much they can't do the job, its just I feel the others can do a better one.

With STR now reguarly keeping RBR on their toes and once (its only time) Piquet goes, there is going to be a fair gap (relative!!! ) between Fif1 and the others.
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Overall, I don't think it's a bad car and if FI had a driver like Hamilton behind the wheel, then I think it could be higher up the order.

Fisichella is past it while Sutil really only shines in the wet. FI are caught between a rock and hard place - they need an experienced pilot and taking on a raw recruit would not really help with development.
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I think Sutil is doing well,but Fisi seems to be in a Korma.
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I don't think that the team is all that bad. However, they are made to look worse due to the competitive natures of F1's mid pack. A change in drivers may be a positive move for Fischella seems to have past his peak, whilst Sutil has put in some encouraging performances, he seems to lack consistency.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2449462)   #12
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I think Sutil is doing well,but Fisi seems to be in a Korma.
So vindaloo in a situation like that then..
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 21:40 (Ref:2449475)   #13
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I think you're being a bit overly critical cds_uk, I think the team is under-funded and the car, don't forget, had to be completed re-modelled after the late, late deal with Merc (I know that the same could be said for Brawn but the base in funding was/is completely different).

However, Fisichella, for me, is way past it and has been now for a number of seasons. If I were Force India I'd be, as has been rumored, looking to Liuzzi to step up for this season at least in that seat. With Sutil, I think he's been average but with flashes of higher levels of competence. He has to prove himself this season but if I were Mallya I'd be looking at Liuzzi and di Resta for next season.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 21:46 (Ref:2449477)   #14
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shambles, i think you have misread this mate, my point was i think the car is ok and the drivers are failing to put it where it should be, i think you are on the money about giving Liuzzi a crack though.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 21:48 (Ref:2449479)   #15
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Jarno Trulli's time....1:33.431

Giancarlo Fisichella's time 1:33.910

The difference between Pole and position 18 on the grid.
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