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Old 5 Nov 2018, 21:36 (Ref:3861227)   #326
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It seems like a HUGE amount of hype for an engine maker who so far havent produced anything like a regular top 10 finishing engine...

Leap of faith?
They have the data on both Renault and Honda power unit performance, and think the Honda is better...

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the Best Engine Ever has been mated to the Best Chassis Ever for the last few years and neither have excelled,
The Red Bull has never had a Mercedes actually... The Mercedes chassis is "good enough" that they have still won many titles without the best chassis but with the best engine, good for them.
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Old 5 Nov 2018, 23:50 (Ref:3861248)   #327
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That said, the Best Engine Ever has been mated to the Best Chassis Ever for the last few years and neither have excelled..
Very true. Well, at least for the last two seasons. Best chassis on all types of circuits for two years, equal best PU's last year, and the best PU's this year. And still no championships.

If Alonso was in that car, we would be a four time champion today!




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Old 6 Nov 2018, 07:34 (Ref:3861293)   #328
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Very true. Well, at least for the last two seasons. Best chassis on all types of circuits for two years, equal best PU's last year, and the best PU's this year. And still no championships.

If Alonso was in that car, we would be a four time champion today!
Well that is impressive - I must tip my hat to someone who manages to turn a discussion about Red Bull / Honda into a Vettel-bashing post!!
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 07:43 (Ref:3861297)   #329
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Well that is impressive - I must tip my hat to someone who manages to turn a discussion about Red Bull / Honda into a Vettel-bashing post!!
And there’s no way the Ferrari is the best engine and chassis.
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 09:42 (Ref:3861316)   #330
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 11:16 (Ref:3861336)   #331
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And there’s no way the Ferrari is the best engine and chassis.
Sauber May disagree on at least half that argument
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 11:23 (Ref:3861340)   #332
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I never took that as serious in any way, just a phrase uttered due to (very understandable) frustration.
Maybe, maybe not.
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3861374)   #333
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But who would replace Gasly I wonder for the final two races? Not that it is going to happen as we know
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 15:36 (Ref:3861378)   #334
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 15:49 (Ref:3861381)   #335
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What does that even mean?
Maybe it was just a phrase uttered due to (very understandable) frustration, or maybe it wasn't.
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Old 6 Nov 2018, 23:08 (Ref:3861490)   #336
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But who would replace Gasly I wonder for the final two races? Not that it is going to happen as we know
in some sort of magical alternate reality -

Danny Ricc - Renault
Sainz - McLaren
Alonso - RBR to try and get him one last podium.
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Shh.. don't say that out too loud. And for Christ's sake.. don't mention Haas F1 either. They're 5th in the WCC, with what is pretty much a 2017 Ferrari chassis. But please keep that to yourself. Don't want to upset the Vettel believers on here.

Oh.. and do we need to mention that Mercedes powered team that is last in the WCC!!





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Old 7 Nov 2018, 07:22 (Ref:3861553)   #338
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Point was the the OP said best engine AND chassis. It isn’t. And the AND means there isn’t half an argument.
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Old 7 Nov 2018, 07:29 (Ref:3861555)   #339
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Very true. Well, at least for the last two seasons. Best chassis on all types of circuits for two years, equal best PU's last year, and the best PU's this year. And still no championships.

If Alonso was in that car, we would be a four time champion today!




Is this guy for real? Or is he just a massive troll? Like really, What’s his deal? Is he a care in the community project for the forum?
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Is this guy for real? Or is he just a massive troll? Like really, What’s his deal? Is he a care in the community project for the forum?
Armchair TV fan that Vettel accidentally snubbed for an autograph outside The Grosvenor one December Sunday a few years ago when we were all going in.
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There is no such thing as THE best car or THE best engine, let alone THE best car AND engine.

Cars are upgraded during the season. Some upgrades work, some don't. Some cars get upgrades while others are still in a previous version. Some upgrades work better than expected, some don't work as intended (or even don't work at all).

Engines (components) get evolutions during the season. See: upgrade of cars.

Some cars are better suited to certain tracks or circumstances then others.
Some engines are better suited to certain tracks or circumstances than others.
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A scourge on the site single handedly dragging down the level of discourse around here, pushing every thread from a fun or interesting conversation to a silly point scoring argument pushed to the extremes of opinions.
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Is this guy for real? Or is he just a massive troll? Like really, What’s his deal? Is he a care in the community project for the forum?
He's a troll. Originally presented himself as a paddock insider, by posting news here without the links to the breaking news. Easily foiled by google. Once everyone had worked out he wasn't a paddock insider, he went on his own personal vendetta against Vettel, because Vettel once stole his ice cream as a kid, and dammit he's going to get him back!

Troll. Determined to ruin every single thread.
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Very good questions + beyond creepy!!!!
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going to the effort of finding out and posting forum member's surnames on the forum, which is just plain creepy.
there's always one lunatic like this. the one on another forum i pollute found jesus and left.

that guy was also #neverwrong

anyway f1guy im the certified worst poster on every forum i visit, so you should chill and find a new niche in the forum.
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Point was the the OP said best engine AND chassis. It isn’t. And the AND means there isn’t half an argument.
The OP (being me) was making a rather snarky comment about the way various teams and engine manufacturers have described their components when results haven't been going their way.

McLaren have been particularly strong at this over the years, as have Red Bull - and the unifying factor these days is that they're both powered by Renault who aren't exactly innocent either.

There is no way on this planet I would describe anything other than the Mercedes, both chassis and engine, as the best this year...

Anyway, maybe I ought to be clearer in future. I understand that putting rolling face smilies achieves this.
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If any posts break the rules use the 'report post' option and a mod will take a look.

Steering back towards topic - does anyone know if Honda are bringing any more updates to the PU this season? They reverted to the older spec - so is that being kept for the rest of year or are they going to bring another iteration to the final races?
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Steering back towards topic - does anyone know if Honda are bringing any more updates to the PU this season? They reverted to the older spec - so is that being kept for the rest of year or are they going to bring another iteration to the final races?
Honda are bringing their upgraded engine to Brazil.

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The OP (being me) was making a rather snarky comment about the way various teams and engine manufacturers have described their components when results haven't been going their way.

McLaren have been particularly strong at this over the years, as have Red Bull - and the unifying factor these days is that they're both powered by Renault who aren't exactly innocent either.

There is no way on this planet I would describe anything other than the Mercedes, both chassis and engine, as the best this year...

Anyway, maybe I ought to be clearer in future. I understand that putting rolling face smilies achieves this.
I think that a significant majority of people (possibly all but one) gathered that you were referring to the claims from McLaren and Red Bull. This is even more obvious as a conclusion to reach in a thread about Red Bull / Honda.

The issue seems to have arisen from a member of the Ferrari Tifosi, who refuses to believe that Ferrari are anything other than the best team in F1 and has the best chassis and engine. So much so that when the prospect of Red Bull having a better chassis, they had to counter that proposal!!!
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