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24 Jul 2017, 19:07 (Ref:3754038) | #576 | |
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I like Matt's case for more all GT action
http://nasportscar.com/arm-chair-rac...wants-more-gt/ Looking forward to VIR big time now. Besides if the DPI cars are so big, lets see what kind of attention they get in a race when the GT's are not there. There has yet to be a prototype only race yet in the series. |
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I wouldn't mind if there was a "big race" for the GT class.
Not just GTLM, but GTD needs some love too. Like their own race you know. Even though PWC already fulfilled that roll. |
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I hoping eventually we get enough P cars to have split weekends at smaller tracks, twin two hour races, one for P, one for the GT cars.
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Nah.
They're not part of the main show, no need to add them for no reason. |
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Considering their car switch (not formally announced yet but certain to happen tomorrow) and their probable sponsorship woes, could VFR/SOD be in IMSA next year? And if so, in what form?
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25 Jul 2017, 06:52 (Ref:3754167) | #584 | |
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What is the Prototype Challenge format? Do they do fuel stops and driver changes? If not, it becomes very expensive for a couple of races.
You'd need to get them used to running on a circuit with the big prototypes too. |
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Well, Jacques Nicolet seems to think that Prototype Challenge should switch to an endurance format to attract more teams:
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25 Jul 2017, 11:34 (Ref:3754215) | #587 | |
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Pirelli World Challenge went through this same thing ... and they make a Lot more money than IMSA P3 does. They ahve a few specific races for teams that choose to participate--60-minute races without refueling and tire changes.
The cost isn't just fuel rigs, fire extinguishers, air hoses, wheel guns, extra tires (at a few thousand per set)... it is the cost of recruiting, hiring, training, transporting, and lodging the extra crew for each race. The biggest cost of racing (there was an excellent breakdown on the cost of racing on a site run by (I believe) Murphy the Bear) is hauling stuff and lodging crew. Even four more guys (refueler, fire bottle, two tire changers) is another two hotel rooms, food (or pay them enough to buy their own,) and probably another vehicle which has to drive from race to race (and the fuel for every mile, and the insurance and the maintenance .... .) Then there is time to train, time to practice .... A lot of P3 "teams" are older guys who race for fun, who own cars or buy seat time, or young drivers trying to make their names and futures. Vastly increase the cost of racing for a minimal increase in seat time (The PWC SprintX races can swap drivers so you get two pay drivers ... but each only gets half a race) and suddenly the class doesn't look so appealing. ELMS does it---and it works well. But then, Europe supports a lot more road racing than the U.S. possibly because a Lot of U.S. racing money goes into various oval-racing formats. Teams which in Europe see P3 as a great way to race, see ARCA (for instance) as a better alternative in the U.S. Jacques Nicolet thinks more P3s should be racing more miles everywhere ... it is almost as if he had some financial interest in that happening ..... |
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I'm not sure switching to an endurance format would sell more cars though. It'd create extra costs, so not sure who that'd attract?
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GT3 was originally a sprint format, but now GT3 cars run endurance races seemingly anywhere you look.
It depends on what the market wants and will support. Of course, that's why you see so many national or regional series in racing vs a few true international series. The expense isn't just hiring extra people and paying them, it's more moving people around and providing/pay for room and board. A lot easier and more affordable to do that in a national or regional series than an international series. International series also have longer races or longer race weekends. The ACO's rules for the WEC currently don't allow anything less than a 6 hour race except in cases of force majure (bad weather, some disaster or difficulty that requires a race to be shortened, etc). If you're gonna spend a crapload of money to move people around in an international series, either the races will be longer or you have a longer race weekend to make it worth the trouble. |
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45min is long enough to be watching the PC series, imo.
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28 Jul 2017, 19:55 (Ref:3755209) | #594 | |
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Maybe some of that huge Toyota budget can be moved away from the dying LMP1 and fund a Lexus GTLM program! Just put some Michelin, tires, run all pro drivers (lose Robert Alon), remove some of the GTD mandated BoP, and that Lexus will not have much left to be right up there in GTLM speed range.
With BMW being GTE compliant now, there is room for a team/manufacturer for IMSA to give a special GTLM class waiver for. Either Lexus or Acura should jump on this. I would love the later to happen too, so Shank can keep a factory effort running. His driver squad for the #93 is already solid and would be competitive in GTD. The #86 might need an upgrade though. |
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JDC will run two cars next season, and may also do LM:
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/jd...fort-for-2018/ |
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Marshall Pruett tweeted that IMSA would be returning to Mid-Ohio next season.
Shank in an NSX in GTLM, Rocketsport in a Lexus in GTLM, two flying bananas, and Mid-Ohio? People might think i am being overly optimistic but remember ... Scott Atherton hasn't talked about any of this stuff, so it still could happen. |
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