Lola T280

[allenbrown]

No, Lehman's is the T290-DFV that has been mentioned before on this thread.

[Michael Oliver]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

'Walter Lehman' in a T280 DFV at a late season 1973 Hockenheim Interserie. Is this the Zaborowski car?

No, Dan, this is too early, Zaborowski didn't buy the car until 1976. I don't have my notes to hand but I think this was a 2-litre chassis bought with a DFV bulkhead fitted, I'm sure there was some mention of it somewhere in this thread!

Michael

[allenbrown]

Yes Michael, in the post immediately above

Good to have you back. Good luck with that car in the East Midlands that I hear you are off to see shortly.

[znarfg]

Thanks
the car was driven by Manfredini and Jean Louis Lavos? (never heard) , later by Charly Schirmer a swiss racer.

[Michael Oliver]

Originally Posted by znarfg

Thanks
the car was driven by Manfredini and Jean Louis Lavos? (never heard) , later by Charly Schirmer a swiss racer.

Perhaps you mean Jean-Louis Lafosse?

Blimey Allen, the grapevine must be well and truly humming!

Michael

[AMICALEMANS]

jean-louis Lavos ? perhaps it is Jean-Louis Lafosse

[AMICALEMANS]

Michel overtake me !

[driftwood]

walter lehman was t290 car fitted with dfv kit from the factory i think the car wa actually t292 hu 50 the car we later know as the Jauselin car and driven by the other swiss guy before him but that name escapes me right now
zabrowski cars was hu4?

[grp2viva]

Hello all.

I am after a bit of help. We are currently restoring T280 HU03 and are desperate for any photo's of the car in it's "Coca-Cola" livery. I notice in a few posts that some of you have pic's of the car, and was wondering if they could be posted-to the thread or maybe directly to me. Any help would be much appreciated as it's only 4 weeks until the LeMans Classic, and we need to finalise the paintwork .

Thanks in advance.

Darren

CRC Racecar Engineering

[driftwood]

car raced once twice in cola livery and not with dfv i am told
all the time it ran with DFV it was in white

[grp2viva]

We have a few pics of the car in C-C livery and it's definately got a DFV in. Trouble is, some of the logo's are a bit difficult to make out and we don't want to end up offending any one with the odd mistaken Japanesse character. Were hoping somebody might have something other than the pics avaliable on the net.

Darren

[grp2viva]

Thought you might like to know that HU03 is now up and running. Now for the fettling....

Darren

CRC Racecar Engineering

[driftwood]

looks good pity its in the livery used once or twice and not the white livery used all season in 1972

[J2M]

You may have seen the car displayed in Le Mans Classic last summer. It has been purchased in France from Monte Shalett.

[driftwood]

I had heard car was sold but story in uk was a well known Brit racer had bought it

[Michael Oliver]

Originally Posted by driftwood

I had heard car was sold but story in uk was a well known Brit racer had bought it

That may be true subsequently but it was sold originally to Yvan Mahe, who already owns a T280 (HU04, IIRC) plus a T282 clone and, I think another T280which carries the chassis plate no HU02, although clearly the original car with this number was totally destroyed at Le Mans 72. It's been a while since I've looked at these but I think that is correct...

[driftwood]

T286 hu 10 is the built in 82 Otford thundersports car looks at 20 feet like a lola but not when you get closer
the other Lola he has doe snot have apl;ate but if he has added hu2 he is only conning himself i have foto of car with NO plate fitted
its an air car Hu2 was destroyed at le man 72 crash i beleive he has tried to insinuate it is the rebuilt car from the wreck puleeeze do not insult our intelligence!

HU4 is owned by Quinou
Hu3 is now with Barbot in portugal
hu 5 6 7 8 9 in usa i believe and i await to be corrected

Lola T290 292 cars with DFV fitted
HU50 ex Jasulin car now with Lord Laidlaw
the Schutless car is "around" in a garage somewhere
there is a T292 that ran in Italy with DFV i think jolly club entered it 1 year at Monza 1000 km
i have seen another t290 series dfv car but number is not in sequence and in private collection

[Michael Oliver]

Originally Posted by driftwood

T286 hu 10 is the built in 82 Otford thundersports car looks at 20 feet like a lola but not when you get closer
the other Lola he has doe snot have apl;ate but if he has added hu2 he is only conning himself i have foto of car with NO plate fitted
its an air car Hu2 was destroyed at le man 72 crash i beleive he has tried to insinuate it is the rebuilt car from the wreck puleeeze do not insult our intelligence!

HU4 is owned by Quinou
Hu3 is now with Barbot in portugal
hu 5 6 7 8 9 in usa i believe and i await to be corrected

Lola T290 292 cars with DFV fitted
HU50 ex Jasulin car now with Lord Laidlaw
the Schutless car is "around" in a garage somewhere
there is a T292 that ran in Italy with DFV i think jolly club entered it 1 year at Monza 1000 km
i have seen another t290 series dfv car but number is not in sequence and in private collection

Thanx for the update Drifty, I think I was confusing Quinou with Mahe...I knew if was a Frenchman who had bought it at auction. My understanding is that the Mahe car *could* be the one that appeared late 72 at Rouen and then was crashed and reportedly written off (but actually not,it has been suggested to me) at Kyalami by Lafosse.

It was referred to in period as a Lola T280/2, which people took to mean the prototype T282 but could equally have meant a car with the plate T280/2. I have a note on a list of invoice dates which says that the chassis number HU280/5 was used to rebuild HU280/2. It was quite common in those days to take a plate from a car with a carnet and put it on a new car to avoid having to get new paperwork.

The Mahe T282 is a clone of HU06 built while it was owned by Jean Blaton so that he could race it without risking the originality of the real car. Have seen the chassis plate from the auction but can't find the photo now - maybe on this thread?

Would love to know where Schulthess car is now. Jolly Club car raced at Dijon 1000kms 1973, not sure about Monza. Think Walter Lehmann had a DFV-engined 2-litre car but I cannot now remember (and can't be a***d to read through 27 pages to find out!) what we concluded about this one.

[driftwood]

1 Mahe has Otford livery car hu10 is the 1983 car build
2 the t280 yellow car could be the blaton copy by cfox esquire car sold via auction with t280 body in place of 282/6 i do not believe any sane man would run t280 body on the real McCoy T282 Gitanes lafoss car its for mr M to proove what he has and i bet its a new built car hence why i saw it "san" plate

3 i do not believe the 280/2 car being a rebuild with chassis 5= why? a hero died in the car the thing was totally wrecked
what car did JL Lafosse have? T282/5 in Gitanes livery when he crashed the car it would have been logical to rebuild the car it was still current

4 Lehman orders T290DFV kit in 72 for 73 season- we have no data on him running the car its possibly the Schutless car but that did not appear until LM 75 untried or it is the Jauselin T292 hu50

Jolly club raced 1 pukka T280 dfv car at 1 meeting
another car ran dfv but it was t292 i believe it to be the Gagiliardo( sp?) car that he ran in 73 with 2 litre Ferraris V8 motor
im sure in 75 AS report for monza 1000 clicks it is mentioned

i have also seen foto of italian hillclimb lola( on euromontagne site) with dfv looks like it could be 290 the difference with 290 280 cars is the roll hoop look at the upside down V 1 car has them joining in middle other has the gap
however the whole roll hoop engine frame part is different in the engine bay t280 has DG300 gearbox bigger brakes wheels over the 290 car tub is the same rear uprights are also different as is front anti roll bar mounting

[driftwood]

Autosport 7 Oct 1976 advert
Minilte Lola T280 DFV for sale Jeremy Lord £5500
this is T280 HU4
AS Nov 4 snippet Jorg Zabrowski has bought the ex Lord Minilite Lola T280 and raced at Interseries event at Hochenheim DNF as engine blew

[strider]

Originally Posted by driftwood

Autosport 7 Oct 1976 advert
Minilte Lola T280 DFV for sale Jeremy Lord £5500
this is T280 HU4
AS Nov 4 snippet Jorg Zabrowski has bought the ex Lord Minilite Lola T280 and raced at Interseries event at Hockenheim DNF as engine blew

All true.

The car later came back to the UK, was completely overhauled and to some extent modified. It was owned by Marsh Plant Hire and raced with some success by Ray Mallock and John Cooper.

[driftwood]

THEN IT WAS SOLD TO ROSSO BIANCO MUSUEM WHERE IT STAYED FOR 25 YEARS UNTIL SOLD AT AUCTION 3 YEARS AGO TO MONSIEUR QUINOU WHO IS NOW RACING THE CAR IN CER HISTORIC EVENTS

[Michael Oliver]

Originally Posted by driftwood

3 i do not believe the 280/2 car being a rebuild with chassis 5= why? a hero died in the car the thing was totally wrecked
what car did JL Lafosse have? T282/5 in Gitanes livery when he crashed the car it would have been logical to rebuild the car it was still current

Drifty

That was stated in Lola records, I believe. It doesn't mean that they rebuilt the Bonnier wreck, there wasn't anything to rebuild. But it was common practice in racing in those days to transfer chassis tags/identities due to the cost/complication of obtaining customs carnet documents. So it could have been a new T280 with the T280/2 chassis plate. From the photos it certainly looks like a T280 rather than a T282.

Michael

[driftwood]

Mr Oliver
I would like to state I am a cynic so its easier to be cynical and ask for clarification than to accept what folk say IE its stated in the Lola records or make assumptions that cars re used chassis numbers for carnet purposes

1 I would like to see documentry evidence from Lola and written affadavits from Lauire Bray or similar employees of the period to the effect that chassis 5 was a works build to replace chassis 2 and the plate carried teh number t2802/5
2 the car T280/5 for JL Lafosse wa sin fact a T282 chassi ( ok under teh body thes ecars are teh same BUt the 282 body is long nose long tail with wing and car wa sbuilt fo rthe 73 season
3 I do not beleive Lola would have frigged around with carnet like this as you need to purchase teh carnet every year/ take out insurance policy or pay the bond so i do not belive they would have messed around like this
Mid season yes it is likely they switched plates on cars for shipping and that we all accept as fair and reasonable practise
4 Which photos are you referring to for chassi 5 looking like a T280?
JL Lafosse raced blue Gitanes long nose /tail car in 73 I think the car crashed in ZA Kyalami meeting

[peugeot106]

i FINALLY got round to scanning some very very old pics i took whilst serving my apprentiship at Fox Motorsport...

i only have very limited info about this car other than it belonged to a jean Blatton????????

stunning beautiful machines and a JOY to work on....