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Old 19 Jul 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3837596)   #526
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TOC I believe tested as a favour for TG. I understand the latter highly valued the formers opinions and feedback on the car. So a genuine attempt to try and find some performance gains? And maybe a hope of enticing TOC into the race seat?
Honestly I don't see Tom sitting around at the back with HARD. He's doing very well in GTs and I think it would take a Dynamics / WSR / Motorbase seat to entice him back... I do remember him saying he was very close to a deal this year though, so never say never!
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Old 20 Jul 2018, 08:50 (Ref:3837652)   #527
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I'd love to see TOC back, he has unfinished business in the series
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Old 20 Jul 2018, 09:00 (Ref:3837660)   #528
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TOC I believe tested as a favour for TG. I understand the latter highly valued the formers opinions and feedback on the car. So a genuine attempt to try and find some performance gains? And maybe a hope of enticing TOC into the race seat?
He's also a very well respected developer of cars. As Team AON would testify as their cars, twice never really looked like winners until he got into them
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 07:55 (Ref:3838210)   #529
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All getting a bit messy and unnecessary on the the Rolec/Team Hard/Jake Hill front now.

Hope this gets resolved amicably with no more thrown toys. Its not really needed.
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 08:15 (Ref:3838214)   #530
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I know people look out for their kids but I am feeling from things on twitter that Hill Senior is stirring things more than necessary
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 08:30 (Ref:3838219)   #531
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It looks pretty grotesque now, especially with Hill Senior prying into their business.
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 08:46 (Ref:3838224)   #532
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Heard stories that Dynamic’s were poised to make a bid for the 3rd BMR TBL (from TOCA I’d assume) when it looked like a 3rd car would materialise! However the last minute Price deal kissed goodbye to a 3rd Dynamics Honda for Mat Jackson. That I would like to of seen.
Right idea, wrong Team/Manufacturer, someone's paid the Price for trying to run a big works team without the sponsorship to do so.

Only 2 Subaru's on the grid for the rest of the year, if they can see the season out...…….
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 08:52 (Ref:3838226)   #533
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I hope everything does get sorted out a Team HARD, we've only got a few days till Snetterton
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 09:07 (Ref:3838236)   #534
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All getting a bit messy and unnecessary on the the Rolec/Team Hard/Jake Hill front now.

Hope this gets resolved amicably with no more thrown toys. Its not really needed.
What a shambles.

Although, seriously, why post publicly a private message? Not professional at all.
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 09:12 (Ref:3838239)   #535
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Right idea, wrong Team/Manufacturer, someone's paid the Price for trying to run a big works team without the sponsorship to do so.

Only 2 Subaru's on the grid for the rest of the year, if they can see the season out...…….
So someone other than Honda will be fielding another car for the rest of the season, or will the BTCC be down a car and a BMR TBL goes back to TOCA?
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 09:28 (Ref:3838243)   #536
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So someone other than Honda will be fielding another car for the rest of the season, or will the BTCC be down a car and a BMR TBL goes back to TOCA?
I would've thought TOCA would want a full grid for the 60th anniversary race - not sure if any teams are in the position to expand though. PMR have a spare Astra and there is a Handy Avensis floating around for SW, though it depends down to time / money / size of team.

Think we could see a new team or two in the 2019 grid...!
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 09:38 (Ref:3838247)   #537
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I would've thought TOCA would want a full grid for the 60th anniversary race - not sure if any teams are in the position to expand though. PMR have a spare Astra and there is a Handy Avensis floating around for SW, though it depends down to time / money / size of team.

Think we could see a new team or two in the 2019 grid...!
Nothing to say the VW or Subaru (or MG for that matter) couldn't turn out under another banner for the rest of the season either. Long shot but there must be a couple of Focus cars kicking around, could we see a "Jacksons Ford" entry? we also have Dynamics "spare" old shape Honda if someone turned out with enough in the piggy bank, could we see Sheddon come back to help Neals title bid? <- that would be a bit of a crowd puller for the 60th anniversary bash!

your right cant imagine a big 60th celebration when 1 team has sacked a driver without replacement, 1 team has fallen out with and split with their driver and another has run out of money
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 12:11 (Ref:3838283)   #538
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Only 2 Subaru's on the grid for the rest of the year, if they can see the season out...…….
is this confirmed anywhere ?

from what I seen only AMD officially still looks for a driver and Gilham with his social media games suggesting he will drive

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Nothing to say the VW or Subaru (or MG for that matter) couldn't turn out under another banner for the rest of the season either.
The one thing stopping that is the lack of any cars. There were only ever 4 VWs built, and of the 3 MGs built only 2 remain. so basically all the cars available are already on the grid, or at least were last time out.

Of those 3 makes, only Subaru have a spare car available, and I don't see either Subaru or BMR finding the cash to be able to field that.

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Long shot but there must be a couple of Focus cars kicking around, could we see a "Jacksons Ford" entry?
One shell is with Ciceley, minus any useful parts. The others are all with Motorbase, and somehow I can't see Jackson in a Motorbase car any time soon.

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we also have Dynamics "spare" old shape Honda if someone turned out with enough in the piggy bank, could we see Sheddon come back to help Neals title bid?
Factory team running an old model alongside two new cars? Can't see that happening.
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Old 23 Jul 2018, 12:44 (Ref:3838287)   #540
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Factory team running an old model alongside two new cars? Can't see that happening.
it can happen if this car is under a sponsor's banner and of course total different livery
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The one thing stopping that is the lack of any cars. There were only ever 4 VWs built, and of the 3 MGs built only 2 remain. so basically all the cars available are already on the grid, or at least were last time out.

Of those 3 makes, only Subaru have a spare car available, and I don't see either Subaru or BMR finding the cash to be able to field that.
This is the point I am making, speculating that there might be an Avensis somewhere or an Astra is fine but we already know there is a working MG, VW and Subaru already prepared as I dont recall any of these getting written off at Croft. My suggestion is rather than look at what cars are there, could these existing cars not be transferred to be run by an alternative team if there is a danger they will not be able to fulfill their agreement by having no driver to run in them
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This is the point I am making, speculating that there might be an Avensis somewhere or an Astra is fine but we already know there is a working MG, VW and Subaru already prepared as I dont recall any of these getting written off at Croft. My suggestion is rather than look at what cars are there, could these existing cars not be transferred to be run by an alternative team if there is a danger they will not be able to fulfill their agreement by having no driver to run in them
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Factory team running an old model alongside two new cars? Can't see that happening.
Do we know for sure the old chassis hasn't had the new body parts attached to it in the last 4 or 5 weeks?
Wouldn't seem logical to keep the car as a spare if there was no intention or remote possibility of it ever being used.
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Do we know for sure the old chassis hasn't had the new body parts attached to it in the last 4 or 5 weeks?
Wouldn't seem logical to keep the car as a spare if there was no intention or remote possibility of it ever being used.
I've been informed in the past that the new body is not compatible with the old chassis.

Not to say they haven't used the parts from the old chassis to build a 3rd car though - or even a 3rd car from the ground up?
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Do we know for sure the old chassis hasn't had the new body parts attached to it in the last 4 or 5 weeks?
Wouldn't seem logical to keep the car as a spare if there was no intention or remote possibility of it ever being used.
If it's the one I think it is then I think it is a show car - it was on the Honda stand at FOS a few weeks back (Neal 2017)
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we can ignore my suggestion of Honda rolling the old car out for Sheddon to help Neal for the rest of the season - final round clashes with WTCR Chinese round
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we can ignore my suggestion of Honda rolling the old car out for Sheddon to help Neal for the rest of the season - final round clashes with WTCR Chinese round
Besides the date clash, the main reason why it would never happen is why would Honda allow that? The whole point of Dynamics running the FK8 is that it promotes the current product Honda sells, not a car which is a couple of year out of production.
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Besides the date clash, the main reason why it would never happen is why would Honda allow that? The whole point of Dynamics running the FK8 is that it promotes the current product Honda sells, not a car which is a couple of year out of production.
Some suggestions...

1. - As mentioned, it could have been done under a different banner
2. - We have already raised the question if the old car could have been stripped to build up a new car or reshelled
3. - 60th anniversary may have allowed a champion to return in a car (even of not THE chassis) he has won the title in in recent years, meaning another champion on the grid for this event which may have attracted more interest from potential sponsors

However as you say this is quite unlikely, it just seems at the moment we are potentially heading to the 60th anniversary event 2 possibly 3 cars down which I don't think Gow will allow to happen for his showcase event, that's what im most curious about as I just cant see it happening.
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is this confirmed anywhere ?

from what I seen only AMD officially still looks for a driver and Gilham with his social media games suggesting he will drive
The Price parting company whisper is no longer a quiet secret as I understand it. Not sure if this means 2 or 3 Subarus though. Mr Scott could always jump in if keeping the TBL is a priority.

Talking of bosses jumping in, I'm now very strongly suspecting Mssrs Gilham and Hollamby peddling. One or both depending on the Hill/HARD divorce progress.
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