Phillip Island to be both sprint and enduro!?

[Peter Ford]

This is the stupidest idea i ever heard.

[theugsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

ugsqirrel, Yes and exactly.

Please, give your reasoning.

[anthony81901]

Seeing as when a non regular driver races on the Saturday any points he accumulates will only count towards the team's championship, I can see a lot of cases where the car will be withdrawn from the race after the first lap because the car 'did not feel right', when obviously it will be to conserve the car for Sunday. Pity the non regular who prangs the car in the Saturday race and compromises the team's run on Sunday, he will be a popular boy.

I can't see the concept adding anything to the show much like as all of the other mickey mouse innovations we have seen in recent years reverse grids, red vs blue etc.

[bludvl_x19]

THe below comment is based upon the article in enews, published 1/4/08. I cba trying to figure out if its real, so I'll pretend that it is.

The only problem with pulling the car out that I can see is that the results from R1 and R2 decide the grid for the 500. I particularly like the one mandatory pitstop/two races idea. It will create a new level of strategic thinking.

Mick

[peckstar]

does qualifying matter in an enduro?

[bludvl_x19]

I;m sure that given the choice between starting at the front, or at the back of the grid in an enduro, most, if not all, would choose the front. Ergo, I believe so.

Mick

[peckstar]

given a choice you are probably correct, but does it matter (assuming you get through any first corner incidence, which is usally redyced at an enduro

[bludvl_x19]

Maybe not as much as in a sprint race, but yes, it does. In terms of the distance from row 1 to row 10 compared to the actual distance the car has to travel, its bugger all, I admit that. But starting at the front makes it easier on the driver, not as many cars to pass and on the team, not having to worry about getting involved in other peoples crashes.

Mick

[peckstar]

well it would be ideal if everything was perfect, but some times you get a flat on lap one and go a lap down and you still go on to win. other times you have a serious accident early in the week and because of the lack of pratise you qualify poorly and you still go on to win the race, but then other times you smash the lap record in qualifying and you breeze theough the race.

But then sometimes you go into the race as red hot favorite, you get pole and you dont make corner two

the winner of the last two enduros started on the third row and 2nd place started on the 4th row

[stoned pony]

My question is this: how long before some bright spark at VESA reckons its a great idea and needs to be replicated at Bathurst?

[Pro Racer]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, leave Bathurst as is.

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by stoned pony

My question is this: how long before some bright spark at VESA reckons its a great idea and needs to be replicated at Bathurst?

That wouldn't surprise me in the least

Let's just hope that they haven't read this yet, and so don't get the idea.

Mick

[racer69]

Whatever happened to simple, no BS, easy to follow motor racing??? Why needlessly mess around & play with things for the sake of it?

What was wrong with;

Practicing Friday
Qualifying Saturday
Racing Sunday

The winner getting the laurels (not someone who amasses the most points across the weekend, despite not winning a race)


This Phillip Island 500 format has the appearance of someone playing around just for the sake of doing something different.

The end result is that both of the qualifying races are going to have undeserving winners (as you only have to pit in 1 of the 2 races), and they'll be a procession as everyone will be doing the smart thing and saving the cars for Sunday..... plus the fact they are counting these qualifying races for points.....

[peckstar]

racer, my understanding is the winner will be the guy who finishes first on the Sunday, same as normal.

it interesting that this round is now worth less points than a normal round. the winner walls away with 250 points(max) 300 points at a normal round

[bathurst]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

That wouldn't surprise me in the least

Let's just hope that they haven't read this yet, and so don't get the idea.

Mick

Wouldn't suprise me if they turn it into another 2x250km races. I can see it already. 1 race for each driver. Isn't that what they wanted to do at Ipswich originally.

At least then we can go to the footy instead.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by peckstar

racer, my understanding is the winner will be the guy who finishes first on the Sunday, same as normal.

That is correct, i was just generalising it all as a whole

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, leave Bathurst as is.

Pro,

If they had left Bathurst as it WAS, (ie: before you were even born) it would still be an amazing race, with a full grid (not a contrived one) and class cars racing each other within the overall race.

If you have seen the Top Gear episode where they race the diesel Bimmer in the Britcar 24 hr event, you would begin to understand that racers love to race, and Bathurst WAS the pinnacle event in this country for racers.

And an average bloke could build a car to a relatively simple set of rules, pay an entry fee & go and race.

No franchises 15 - 20 years ago.



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[Pro Racer]

i know that the grids should be bigger by letting more cars in. but what i meant was don't turn Bathurst into the farce they have done with the 500.

[racer69]

To be fair though (and i'm not a supporter of the L&H 500 qualifying races), people probably thought it was a farce when Hardies Heroes was introduced in 1978, or when Bathurst classes started being based on engine capacity, and not sale prices...

[peckstar]

just for the record racer, what exactly dont you like about the qualifying races idea?