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Old 16 Mar 2020, 18:24 (Ref:3964657)   #46
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So, ‘Emergency workers will no longer support mass gatherings’.....

Not a ban on such gatherings, though. How is that going to affect the running of race meetings? Will it cause insurance / liability issues?
You can't run even a kart meeting without a Paramedic....

If essential clinical staff do not rock up, you have no meeting (at least under MSUK regs)
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 18:27 (Ref:3964659)   #47
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Not sure what this is suggesting really.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 18:32 (Ref:3964665)   #48
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Not sure what this is suggesting really.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 19:08 (Ref:3964681)   #49
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You can't run even a kart meeting without a Paramedic.... If essential clinical staff do not rock up, you have no meeting (at least under MSUK regs)
Indeed. The legal definition of ‘emergency services’ is no doubt causing some head scratching.

And are circuits or meeting organisers at liberty to employ private ‘emergency services’, and would their insurance be valid in such an eventuality?
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Preaching to the converted. I totally understand the reasons. Problem is many of the over 70's I know think the whole thing is overblown and is a bunch of "snowflake millennials" making a mountain out of a mole hill. I seriously doubt they are the majority but if there's enough people thinking like that it's going to seriously undermine any containment measures.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 19:48 (Ref:3964698)   #51
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Indeed. The legal definition of ‘emergency services’ is no doubt causing some head scratching.

And are circuits or meeting organisers at liberty to employ private ‘emergency services’, and would their insurance be valid in such an eventuality?
'Paramedic' is a protected title. It is an offence to describe yourself as such unless you are registered with the HCPC.

Once you have that registration, it matters not if your day job is in the public or private sector.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 20:23 (Ref:3964705)   #52
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'Paramedic' is a protected title. It is an offence to describe yourself as such unless you are registered with the HCPC. Once you have that registration, it matters not if your day job is in the public or private sector.
While perhaps not employed at clubbies to any extent, Police and Fire brigade personnel are usually employed in numbers at events like Goodwood MM / FoS / Revival? How would they cope without all the police traffic control, I wonder?
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While perhaps not employed at clubbies to any extent, Police and Fire brigade personnel are usually employed in numbers at events like Goodwood MM / FoS / Revival? How would they cope without all the police traffic control, I wonder?
The traffic would probably flow a lot more freely!!
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 20:52 (Ref:3964711)   #54
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Not sure what this is suggesting really.
The Govt didn't set a limit on the number of people and they mentioned indoor, social events. It's not obvious whether this is intended to cover lightly attended outdoor events. Perfectly logical to conclude that motor sport very much counts as "non-essential travel" of course but I can see why MSUK want a bit more clarification before deciding. The circuits and series may decide for them of course.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 21:04 (Ref:3964714)   #55
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All seemed pretty clear to me. They didn't specify indoors or outdoor.
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All seemed pretty clear to me. They didn't specify indoors or outdoor.
These are the exact words used:

“Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others and to stop all unnecessary travel. We need people to start working from home where they possibly can. And you should avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues,”

Indoors/outdoors not specified, but the examples given are indoors and no upper limit of numbers gathered, which is presumably why MSUK want a bit more clarity. I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation of the clear intent, just exploring why MSUK haven't immediately decided to stop all motorsport events.
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I think you'll find they also mentioned large gatherings or similar. There is also the issue of not supporting large gatherings. All pretty clear IMO.
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Yes, to quote from the Guardian:

'Johnson said the risk of transmission of the disease at sporting events was relatively low, "but obviously, logically, as we advise against unnecessary social contact of all kinds, it's right that we should extend that advice to mass gatherings as well".'

"Advice" is much weaker than a directive. Same goes for theatres - advice, not a ban. That means the theatre is liable for ticket refunds - if instructed to close, they would not be.

Again, I don't dispute the clear intent, but the words themselves are a little vague.
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I think that the intent is clear, along with the statement that “medical staff will no support large gatherings from tomorrow”.
Now some will argue, I am sure, that the circuits use private medical staff but no one can seriously expect the PM to make a statement which covers every industry and every eventuality.

It’s also worth noting that plenty of individual clubs, and other sports, are cancelling events without waiting for clarification. Individual clubs are acting ahead of our own governing body.

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Yes, to quote from the Guardian:

'Johnson said the risk of transmission of the disease at sporting events was relatively low, "but obviously, logically, as we advise against unnecessary social contact of all kinds, it's right that we should extend that advice to mass gatherings as well".'

"Advice" is much weaker than a directive. Same goes for theatres - advice, not a ban. That means the theatre is liable for ticket refunds - if instructed to close, they would not be.

Again, I don't dispute the clear intent, but the words themselves are a little vague.
Government taking the route of believing business and people will do the right thing without the need to mandate, but also added when asked that the government had all the powers it needed if required.

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