2018 Season Launch and Testing Thread - Page 17

Richard C · 8 Mar 2018, 17:47 (Ref:3806897)

Part of me wants to pick on McLaren. I think they very much deserve some of the recent grief they are getting (others have pointed out why so no need for me to repeat). But.. I suspect they will get much of this sorted out during testing. So I am not going to pile on with respect to McLaren testing issues.

My allegiance as a fan typically has been in the following order...

1. Specific drivers (Jenson, but he is gone)
2. Honda or Porsche
3. Williams
4. McLaren

Given the above, I am hoping TR does well given the Honda part and still have some love for McLaren, but am sore about them pushing Honda away, so while I want McLaren to improve, I would smile if TR/Honda does better than McLaren.

Richard

steve nielsen · 8 Mar 2018, 18:05 (Ref:3806902)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Honda using a brand new engine for each day of testing??

That's the rumour. Interesting if true. Would explain the mileage without incident.

I'm pretty sure everybody does, Ferrari and Red Bull did 188 and 187 laps today

Richard C · 8 Mar 2018, 18:41 (Ref:3806907)

Given teams have been able to put GP distances on engines during a single day, it makes sense to swap engines overnight. I can imagine they would do tear-downs later to examine level of wear to see if it correlates with what they are seeing via internal longevity testing on dynos? Similar to aero rake measurements to help correlate CFD and tunnel test results.

Richard

Moneyseeker · 8 Mar 2018, 19:32 (Ref:3806915)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Given teams have been able to put GP distances on engines during a single day, it makes sense to swap engines overnight. I can imagine they would do tear-downs later to examine level of wear to see if it correlates with what they are seeing via internal longevity testing on dynos? Similar to aero rake measurements to help correlate CFD and tunnel test results.

Richard

Yep, absolutely. They will have done dyno to destruction on the engines over the winter to correlate 'absolute life's which is the big advantage of engine development. Testing is all about the car and systems, you don't need to be wasting pre season testing on engine life.

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chillibowl · 8 Mar 2018, 19:36 (Ref:3806917)

someone on reddit posted a SKY clip of a Mclaren pitstop today.

also dont want to pile on Mclaren's woes but this looked pretty goofy but i guess this is what testing is about.

http://www.skysports.com/iframe/widg...O8gYd1wBVkmUvY

wnut · 8 Mar 2018, 22:05 (Ref:3806935)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

someone on reddit posted a SKY clip of a Mclaren pitstop today.

also dont want to pile on Mclaren's woes but this looked pretty goofy but i guess this is what testing is about.

http://www.skysports.com/iframe/widg...O8gYd1wBVkmUvY

Not exactly confidence inspiring!

The new owners of McLaren have stolen Ron's company from him for personal reasons, but now they have it, they seem to lack the direction and commitment necessary for success that Ron brought to the team.

Moneyseeker · 9 Mar 2018, 06:40 (Ref:3806986)

That was something else! The guy putting the wheel on the wrong way round! Was like the keystone cops...

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F1Guy · 9 Mar 2018, 06:42 (Ref:3806988)

That was goofy indeed. The "twins" on the right rear... hilarious!! Trying to put the wheel on back to front!

Ospi · 9 Mar 2018, 06:51 (Ref:3806989)

Then they later dropped it from the rear jack to the ground. Deary me.

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F1Guy · 9 Mar 2018, 07:40 (Ref:3806996)

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

I'm pretty sure everybody does, Ferrari and Red Bull did 188 and 187 laps today

No, not everybody. For example, the factory Renault team has only used the one single engine so far. That is including the entire 4 days of the first test, and for the first 3 days of the second test. And is likely to use the same engine for the last day of testing today.

Hope I don't get into trouble with the mod's for copyright issues posting this link.
From SkySports F1...

https://youtu.be/9DSztVFhz8c?t=27m18s

F1Guy · 9 Mar 2018, 08:57 (Ref:3807005)

Oh dear, have a guess which car has caused the first red flag of the day, again!

crmalcolm · 9 Mar 2018, 09:09 (Ref:3807008)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Oh dear, have a guess which car has caused the first red flag of the day, again!

STR - Williams - Mercedes??

peebee2 · 9 Mar 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3807012)

Doesn’t matter - Alonso already said they didn’t need to test today. Better to save some of their dodgy £2 parts for Melbourne...

F1Guy · 9 Mar 2018, 09:19 (Ref:3807015)

Apparently, there's some Papaya juice on the track at turn 7!!

karting · 9 Mar 2018, 09:24 (Ref:3807017)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

STR - Williams - Mercedes??

Nope the Honda Engine which wasn’t good enough for McLaren is running, along with the Mercedes Engine which weren’t good enough for McLaren are also running. All 3 Ferrari engines are running still along with Red Bull and Renaults rebault engine are all running

AdrianM · 9 Mar 2018, 09:25 (Ref:3807018)

People saying it's the lack of cooling on the McLaren that is causing the engine to fail. Seems a bit odd as they would normally have put a new engine in last night so there's no way a single lap this morning would have been enough considering the full GP distance yesterday.

steve nielsen · 9 Mar 2018, 10:50 (Ref:3807026)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

People saying it's the lack of cooling on the McLaren that is causing the engine to fail. Seems a bit odd as they would normally have put a new engine in last night so there's no way a single lap this morning would have been enough considering the full GP distance yesterday.

last week this already could be seen:

E.B · 9 Mar 2018, 10:56 (Ref:3807027)

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

last week this already could be seen:

They have already punched a few extra holes in the engine cover to assist cooling.

Gary Anderson made this comment a couple of days ago about McLarens installation:

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McLaren are pushing the limits on cooling. From the picture above we can see they have added an extra three slots to the one that they were forced to cut into the bodywork last week. There are two brown-ish marks are on both sides of the bodywork so there is something very close to that part of the engine cover - probably the exhausts or turbo and that is of major concern. The exhaust temperatures on these cars runs at around 400-800 degrees centigrade and are wrapped in heat proof insulation. If the temperature cannot be controlled anything near them is vulnerable. To finish first, first you have to finish - so these random reliability problems that McLaren seems to have carried over from the Honda days are of major concern, and now they have no-one but themselves to point the finger at.

steve nielsen · 9 Mar 2018, 10:59 (Ref:3807028)

McLaren are changing the engine at the moment: all Honda's fault!

AdrianM · 9 Mar 2018, 10:59 (Ref:3807029)

I know all about the cooling issues but you're missing the point (I have and Autosport Plus subscription too

). A lack of cooling doesn't destroy an engine in one lap when the same make of engine in the same car did a full GP distance the day before.

I would be amazed if they hadn't changed the engine overnight given they know they are marginal on cooling so what's causing them to go so quickly?

Moneyseeker · 9 Mar 2018, 11:04 (Ref:3807033)

Other Renault's are reliable, so it has to be installation issues with McLaren surely?

F1Guy · 9 Mar 2018, 11:17 (Ref:3807034)

What a absolute legend this man is.. a great selfless act.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/k...troll-1012990/

E.B · 9 Mar 2018, 11:19 (Ref:3807035)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

I know all about the cooling issues but you're missing the point (I have and Autosport Plus subscription too

). A lack of cooling doesn't destroy an engine in one lap when the same make of engine in the same car did a full GP distance the day before.

I would be amazed if they hadn't changed the engine overnight given they know they are marginal on cooling so what's causing them to go so quickly?

They are credited with 7 laps this morning, albeit none timed so all in out laps.

Mike Bell · 9 Mar 2018, 11:23 (Ref:3807036)

I'm a McLaren fan, so want to see them do better. Having said that, I was a mechanic / engineer nearly all my working life, so hate to question or diss the team, but.... my general impression is that some of the problems could be 'spanner' related? (Or definitely are, in some examples.) Hope I'm wrong!

S griffin · 9 Mar 2018, 13:49 (Ref:3807055)

McLaren say they feel closer with Renault than they did with Honda, so there is hope they can get it sorted.

Not surprised by Kubca's act, what has he got to show by testing on the final day? Give more running to the race drivers

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