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Old 14 Feb 2006, 21:47 (Ref:1522950)   #1
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We need Rallycross DVD's!

We Rallycross fans know it is hard to get coverage of our sport, especially from the older days. So I was wondering would we be willing to pay for a nice compilation DVD or double DVD with the entire ERC period up to 2005? If there is a demand who could we ask? I've hear Harald Sachweh has it's fingers in the TV rights, but don't know for sure... I admire those who taped all ERC rounds or has the right channels to recieve it...

Also how about a compilation DVD fully loaded with high quality pictures taken by photographers, either a DVD per photographer or a combined one of multiple photographers... Would love to see a compilation of Johnny Loix and or Eddi Laumanns! Especially from the last 20 years!
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 22:10 (Ref:1522965)   #2
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All seasons on just one dvd?
There are plenty of videos from the old days AND the present days. The complete Group B days and unlimited Group A days are extensively covered, plus some seasons before and after. Those are recalled as the heyday of Rallycross. It's not from every season indeed, but that's because there are many different rights holders over the varying years. I also don't really know if they even shot every complete season? It'll be an absolute crime to acquire all the commercial rights on all the important years AND all the mastertapes AND the time consuming effort to compile them in something sensible.

Anyway let's be real, people don't even buy the present dvd's. Look at the counter on Chris Courteyns ebay shop. Only 20 sold so far, even though it's been advertised on some big websites. He might have sold some more outside ebay but still. Unless you already have the rights on the mastertapes it's simply not economicly viable to produce them. Huge credit to anyone that tries to be so noble and I'd be the first to buy from them, but there won't be many more people I'm afraid! The number sold will hardly reach the hundreds and that's being optimistic. Another look at the British Rallycross DVD from 2004. 250 produced and how many sold? It's still anything but sold out!
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 22:28 (Ref:1522974)   #3
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Maybe you're right but I don't hope so!

I believe that a compilation DVD especially from the last 20 years would be sold. It is cheaper than to buy 20 bad quality video's... I think most Rallycross fans would want one in their collection, especially with all the diversity...

But you're right the copyright will be a nightmare to sort! But I do believe all years have been filmed more or less... SVT24 showed them all I think... But I have never seen 1996 on TV!

It is also a shame that official internet coverage (TV, Results, Times, News) is still very poor in comparison with WRC and F1 and since they do have good TV coverage they actually need it less than Rallycross does!

I would not buy an UK DVD either as there are too less rounds and too less DIV1 contenders. But 20 years of hardcore ERC Rallycross, wow that would be different cake!

The problem with Chris Corteyn is that he is unreachable on his e-mail adress and the other problem is Ebay, I want one but I am not interested in dealing via Ebay. If I find his correct adress I will contact him and transfer the money and he can send it!

DVD's should be sold on Rallycross meetings and by internet companies (or an official Rallycross dealer)

Let's put my hopes on the picures DVD then!
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 22:51 (Ref:1522996)   #4
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Maybe you're right but I don't hope so!

I believe that a compilation DVD especially from the last 20 years would be sold. It is cheaper than to buy 20 bad quality video's... I think most Rallycross fans would want one in their collection, especially with all the diversity...
I think the quality of your actual footage on dvd wouldn't be that much different from the videos (if bought 'new'). Unless you try to master it = even more costs.

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But you're right the copyright will be a nightmare to sort! But I do believe all years have been filmed more or less... SVT24 showed them all I think... But I have never seen 1996 on TV!
That's because Mr. Ecclestones company bought all the tv-rights of all the FIA sports somewhere around 94. So after the then current tv-deal expired, a new deal would be so much more expensive that at least Eurosport bailed. Maybe you still remember watching many different motorsports in the beginning of the '90's and they all dropped like flies? There is your reason!
The last years it has gone a little better, but the FIA or any other governing body is not allowed to hold any commercial rights anymore. They were the ones that could make attractive deals as they didn't need huge profits. Today it's all about commercial value. I don't know who holds the rights now, but I can't expect anything less than that he wants his money returned.


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I would not buy an UK DVD either as there are too less rounds and too less DIV1 contenders. But 20 years of hardcore ERC Rallycross, wow that would be different cake!
The BRC had as much rounds as the ERC, and only one track done twice if I remember correctly. Too less Div1 contenders there might be. But those few sure gave attractive races. And so did the other classes.

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The problem with Chris Corteyn is that he is unreachable on his e-mail adress and the other problem is Ebay, I want one but I am not interested in dealing via Ebay. If I find his correct adress I will contact him and transfer the money and he can send it!
I don't know why you have a problem with ebay? You can buy it from him there, and then ask for money transfer. It actually gives you safety over just contacting him via mail (not that you need it with him I think).


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DVD's should be sold on Rallycross meetings and by internet companies (or an official Rallycross dealer)
It is sold by internet companies!
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 23:05 (Ref:1523007)   #5
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My problem with internet companies and Ebay is loggin in and the need for a creditcard, I don't have one, I don't want one...
I contacted Chris way back before the auction on Ebay and never got any result so far... Nowadays I have found other ways to watch Rallycross...

I've heard from the TV rights back then from most of the drivers, by that time there was talk of a alternative series without FIA, Ecclestone or whomever interfering... I really believe there precense will destroy the longtime future of the sport, people have choise today to watch what they like..

I know the BRC has good races, but most Europeans wouldn't want one. Too much from the same... To be honest I am most interested in seeing the modified classes, especially DIV1, don't care about Mini's or so, despite how advanced they probably are... Sorry for the Mini drivers
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 23:16 (Ref:1523019)   #6
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My problem with internet companies and Ebay is loggin in and the need for a creditcard, I don't have one, I don't want one...
I contacted Chris way back before the auction on Ebay and never got any result so far... Nowadays I have found other ways to watch Rallycross...
You don't need a credit card for ebay. I don't know but I think Chris Courteyn would accept money transfer, so it's no problem? I don't know of course why he doesn't answer your emails, but he is obliged to answer them on ebay if you buy anything from him.

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I've heard from the TV rights back then from most of the drivers, by that time there was talk of a alternative series without FIA, Ecclestone or whomever interfering... I really believe there precense will destroy the longtime future of the sport, people have choise today to watch what they like..
I think I have some videos from that. It's from the '91 only I don't know what value these races had or were they came from. Races like the Swiss Masters and Norwegian Masters, driving on non-erc tracks. Some big names competed in it, like Schanche, Hansen, Arnesson, Gollop, etc, and it was on Sportnet, which later became/merged with Eurosport. But the races were overall thinly participated in so didn't seem much of a succes. It does sound strangely alike some sounds coming from the British Isle currently though

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I know the BRC has good races, but most Europeans wouldn't want one. Too much from the same... To be honest I am most interested in seeing the modified classes, especially DIV1, don't care about Mini's or so, despite how advanced they probably are... Sorry for the Mini drivers
Okay, I understand what you're saying. But there should be plenty of English fans and drivers out there interested, especially as I definately saw them sold at Lydden.
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Old 14 Feb 2006, 23:25 (Ref:1523030)   #7
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TV-Media AS (the former "Kanal 3 TV" of Norwegian Morten Berg) some years ago produced a set of 4 VHS tapes with all highlights of the ERC's 1984 to 1995 (12 consecutive years!). They are still available. The company is perhaps willing to put the stuff on DVD's (as they did with their Martin Schanche 25 years history) - but for sure only if there will be some money to earn from plenty of orders...
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Old 16 Feb 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1524288)   #8
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How can I find Chris Coyten's eBay shop? I searched but his name doesn't bring anything up!
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Old 16 Feb 2006, 15:12 (Ref:1524377)   #9
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Look here: http://stores.ebay.com/RALLY-ACTION - as you possibly spelled his name wrong.
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Old 17 Feb 2006, 19:38 (Ref:1525277)   #11
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Maybe these are the guys you should contact about producing low volume Rallycross DVD's, it's what they specialise in it seems.

http://www.rallyfilmsreloaded.co.uk/

We really need some classic rallycross action on DVD because lets face it, VHS is almost obsolescent now.

Seems this company may also help in securing rights etc.
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Old 18 Feb 2006, 10:16 (Ref:1525531)   #12
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I think there is only a limited market for each individual years championship DVD's, but if there were three compilation DVD's with the best of the 70's 80's and 90's, they could be targeted at a much wider audience. I think there would be a great demand for these.

There are two DVD's available in the MVC catalogue, they are just listed as Rallycross Review 1994 & Rallycross Review 1995. I dosn't say anything about them, I don't know wether they are European or British. I have ordered the 95 one, so when I get it, I will do a review.
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Old 18 Feb 2006, 12:53 (Ref:1525605)   #13
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@ silver bullet: "the best of the 70's"? I do not remember any people taking pics of the ERC series then, only national companies showing up occasionally. The Dutch AVRO covered each round of the NLC (plus the Dutch ECR's) for many years, but the ERC had no proper coverage at all. From 1984 on my friend Norwegian Morten Berg and its Kanal 3 TV followed the entire series for over a decade (as mentioned above) and TV-Media AS still holds the rights for the pics of at least 12 consecutive years.
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'From 1984 on my friend Norwegian Morten Berg and its Kanal 3 TV followed the entire series for over a decade '

Maybe they should try distributing some of their DVD's/VHS through someone like Duke Video or a UK based Rally/Motorsport memorabilia website.

I'd like to buy the Schanche DVD and ERC compilations (preferably on DVD) but can't navigate the Norwegian website.
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For the 70's I was thinking more of the coverage we used to see on 'World Of Sport' and 'Grandstand' of UK rallycross. There was also some great 80's UK footage. I think it was from Paul Hargreaves and World Action Sports Productions.
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