2005 DTM car count

[John Winter]

Originally posted by cos
Jamie Green confirmed at Mercedes - www.dtm.de

Although its not clear wheather he will drive a 2005 or a 2004 car.

Originally posted by FIRE
According racesport.net team Rosberg will not compete in DTM next season. Probably Mucke Motorsport will replace Rosberg.

They just copied the message from the Motorsport Aktuell. This was to be expected, because they had to fight to get into the Mercedes-programm last year, and this summer they tried to get into the Audi-package, without any luck ofcourse. Mücke also tried to get in last year, but lost the battle at that point to Rosberg. If Mücke Motorsport will get in DTM, I think Stefan Mücke has a good chance of getting a car.

[Marcel ten Caat]

So it's 6 drivers (Schneider, Alesi, Paffett, Häkkinen, Albers and Green) lining up for 5 HWA cars.

With Albers saying that he wants to go to F1 he should move now before his chances are gone. (Wonder if he can motivate himself for another season in DTM after missing out on the title twice).

[toot toot]

100% confirmed Green will drive an '05 car.

I'm not sure if anybody realises but Alesi is still not confirmed.Only Schneider, Paffett, Hakkinen and Green are confirmed.

[John Winter]

Originally Posted by toot toot

100% confirmed Green will drive an '05 car.

Where is this confirmed?

[Don K]

Originally Posted by John Winter

Where is this confirmed?

www.dtm.de

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by Don K

www.dtm.de

No, dtm.de confirms Jamie Green gets a Mercedes drive. It does not confirm whether he will receive the 2005 or 2004 version C class.

[John Winter]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

No, dtm.de confirms Jamie Green gets a Mercedes drive. It does not confirm whether he will receive the 2005 or 2004 version C class.

Originally Posted by DTM.de

Jamie Green fährt mit der AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse
2004 startete Jamie Green in der Euroserie mit einem Dallara Mercedes des französischen ASM-Teams und sicherte sich fünf Rennen vor Saisonschluss den Titel. Er gewann sieben von 20 Läufen der Euroserie und erzielte damit die Hälfte der Siege der Dallara Mercedes Fahrer in der Meisterschaft.

2002 war Jamie Green mit dem „McLaren Autosport BRDC Young Driver Award“ ausgezeichnet worden, gestiftet von McLaren, der Zeitschrift Autosport und dem Britischen Automobilsportclub BRDC. Zu diesem Preis gehörte eine Formel-1-Testfahrt im McLaren-Mercedes, die Green am Mittwoch in Silverstone absolvierte.

Der 22-jährige Green begann 1996 mit dem Kartsport. Ein Jahr später erzielte er nach zwei Siegen den zweiten Platz in der Kartserie "Champions of the Future", die Teil des Nachwuchsförderprogramms der Formel-1-Partner McLaren und Mercedes-Benz war. Mit der Britischen Formel-Renault-Winterserie 2001 wechselte Jamie Green in den Automobilsport und stieg zwei Jahre später in die Formel 3 auf. In der Britischen Meisterschaft 2003 gewann er vier von 24 Rennen und wurde Vizemeister. Daneben bestritt der Engländer im Dallara Mercedes acht Rennen der Euroserie. Sein bestes Resultat war Rang drei auf dem Stadtkurs von Pau, Frankreich.

Jamie Green: „Mein ASM-Team und Mercedes-Benz haben mich in diesem Jahr sehr unterstützt und somit den Titelgewinn in der Euroserie erst möglich gemacht. Natürlich freue ich mich über meine Befördeung in die DTM. Sie ist die beste Tourenwagenserie der Welt und für einen jungen Fahrer wie mich eine große Herausforderung. Der Wettbewerb ist sehr hart und ich freue mich, in einem so hochkarätigen Feld an den Start zu gehen. Bei den ersten Tests mit der AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse bin ich gut zurecht gekommen und ich werde alles geben, um das in mich gesetzte Vertrauen zu rechtfertigen."

Mercedes-Benz Motorsportchef Norbert Haug: „Jamie Green hat mit seinem Titelgewinn in der Formel-3-Euroserie sein Talent unter Beweis gestellt und ist für unsere DTM-Mannschaft eine Bereicherung. Mit seinem Engagement setzen wir unser Förderkonzept für den Rennsportnachwuchs fort, und wir denken, dass Jamie sich in der DTM profilieren wird und so wiederholt, was etliche unserer Junioren in der DTM geschafft haben."

I don't even see the letter 5 in it. :confused:

[FIRE]

Euroteam quits autosport according www.italiaracing.net. Team owner Gabriel Seresina will become hotelmanager at Lago of Garda......

[toot toot]

Originally Posted by John Winter

Where is this confirmed?

In my last post
Just have a little faith.

[kmchow]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Euroteam quits autosport according www.italiaracing.net. Team owner Gabriel Seresina will become hotelmanager at Lago of Garda......

Call me bad, but are there are any conspiracy theories regarding why Gabriel Seresina is retiring? Didn't get the works contract? Uncompetitive car and drivers?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by kmchow

Call me bad, but are there are any conspiracy theories regarding why Gabriel Seresina is retiring? Didn't get the works contract? Uncompetitive car and drivers?

Opel is cutting back their DTM involvement so I think theirs no room for Euroteam to run a car. I think it's financial not possible for privateers to to enter a car.

[flor]

Joest will run the 4 2004 cars and Abt the 05 cars

[j_t_8_8_8]

Joest will run the 4 2004 cars and Abt the 05 cars

divided into:

ABT

Mattias Ekstrom
Martin Tomczyk
Tom Kristensen
Allan Mc Nish

Joest

Rinaldo Capello
Pierre Kaffer
Frank Stippler
Christian Abt

Abt not in the Abt team!

[John Winter]

From a British magazine (don't know which one)

Dutch Stars in Champ Car

DTM star Christijan Albers and Euro F3000 champion Nicky Pastorelli will test a ChampCar for Walker Racing at Sebring on December 14. Albers has recently tested for Formula One teams Jordan and Minardi, while Pastorelli has been driving the new Formula Superfund chassis

[Hazard]

Regarding Euroteam's scaling down. If Opel Performance are going to run just four cars, assuming worst case they're re-used 2004 chassis, surely there are two going spare? If they're using new builds, then there are 6!

Even if there's no Euroteam, I see no reason why a privateer might not want to pick up a few Vectra's, if they can't buy any of the spare C-Klasse '04 or Audi A4 '04 cars that is

[kmchow]

Originally Posted by Hazard

Regarding Euroteam's scaling down. If Opel Performance are going to run just four cars, assuming worst case they're re-used 2004 chassis, surely there are two going spare? If they're using new builds, then there are 6!

I was under the impression OPC was going to build at least 4 all new '05 cars and possibly more if they can find sponsors.

Even if there's no Euroteam, I see no reason why a privateer might not want to pick up a few Vectra's, if they can't buy any of the spare C-Klasse '04 or Audi A4 '04 cars that is

That's always been my suggestion, but for some reason, not many ex Works cars are making it to Independents.
There could be 3 possible reasons for this

1) For some reasons, manufacturers don't want their last year cars being raced. Don't want their tech secrets exposed?
2) They're asking too much for last year's cars.
3) No interest from privateers??? But what about all those ex-V8 Star or open wheel racing teams??? The DTM should have tried to lure all those ex-V8 Star teams over!

I thought I heard Reason #2 is why we don't see more cars racing?

[Hazard]

If I was being cynical, I'd say Mercedes & Audi don't want to hand out last years cars to privateers so they don't see their name running around the back - as without the privateers, all the Opel's will be last!

[kmchow]

Originally Posted by Hazard

If I was being cynical, I'd say Mercedes & Audi don't want to hand out last years cars to privateers so they don't see their name running around the back - as without the privateers, all the Opel's will be last!

I recall a bunch of people saying that. Wasn't that how Abt originally got into racing? They wanted to race a ST A4, but Audi didn't let them? So Abt sourced an old ST Audi 80 and threatened to race that? Then, Audi relented and gave them an A4 to race instead?

Interestingly, BMW doesn't really care. If you had the money, they would sell you an ex-Works car without hesitating?

[x_acto]

There is any site (besides www.dtm.de) where i can see some 2005 cars?

[John Winter]

There are no 2005 cars yet, so I wonder what you mean with DTM.de, because there are no 2005 cars there either

[BSchneiderFan]

Interesting that Joest, a team with so much pedigree, has rather been relegated to junior status, running year-old cars (and the brother of the boss of the 'senior' Audi team!). Still, I expect Kristensen and McNish to shine alongside Ekstrom, though I can't quite see how Tomcyzk gets a 2005-spec car but Kaffer and Capello don't.

[Kicking-back]

Tomcyzk has several years of DTM experience, Kaffer and Capello don't. (In the present era, anyway).

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Still, I expect Kristensen and McNish to shine alongside Ekstrom, though I can't quite see how Tomcyzk gets a 2005-spec car but Kaffer and Capello don't.

Tomcyzk did quite well last year (especially at the end of the season). His result in the last 4 races:
Oschersleben: 2nd (pole position)
Zandvoort: 2nd
Brno: crashed by Alberts while driving 2nd
Hockenheim: 2nd (pole position)

But this is indeed a pitty that other good pilots like Kaffer and Capello get an old car.

[BSchneiderFan]

Still, Tomcyzk doesn't seem to have done much in his DTM career, really. He won a race a couple of years ago, I seem to recall, but since then Ekstrom has become the leading light of the Audi team, and Kristensen did OK this year. Personal choice of course, but I'd have put Capello or Kaffer in the new car. After all, Kaffer's certainly proved himself in prototypes, and he wasn't too shabby in the Porsche Supercup.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Interesting that Joest, a team with so much pedigree, has rather been relegated to junior status, running year-old cars (and the brother of the boss of the 'senior' Audi team!).

Abt has more experience in DTM. I think this a transition year for Joest, probably they will do only the Le Mans programme next year.