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Old 2 Sep 2020, 06:47 (Ref:3999547)   #226
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NGTC is better than TCR for sure. I wonder if there's any data about spendings in WTCR and BTCC. I won't be surprised if "cost effective" racing is more expensive. And I would be amazed if Berger and ITR adopt NGTC - it's not "Premium" enough for marketing departments.
At least when it comes to buying the car itself, TCR is considerably cheaper than NGTC, with the former coming in at around Ä130000, whereas the cost of a new NGTC is reported to be at around £200000, in other words Ä100000 more than the TCR.

The big advantage of NGTC over TCR is the spec-running gear, which allows teams to adapt pretty much any car for NGTC without having to do much R&D for things such as suspension geometry, whereas each TCR model has its own bespoke suspension design. And since manufacturers are just better at developing these kind of things or can at least throw more money at it, they invariably come out on top, which results in huge fleets of Hyundais and little else.
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Old 2 Sep 2020, 09:03 (Ref:3999558)   #227
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I think, Japanese SuperGT is different due to different japanese attitudes. I believe, that these manufacturers can't refuse to be in SuperGT, even if it doesn't help with sales figures.

Its kind of "loosing face"...


Sure, NGTC is at first more expensive than WTCR, but maybe more interesting due to "building their own car" and have more possibilties to improve it.


Maybe many brands in WTCR sell the car cheaper than it is and try to earn the missing money by selling spare parts...
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Old 19 Sep 2020, 18:08 (Ref:4004111)   #228
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Interested even more so in how DTM pans out in 2021 after todayís announcement

Audi & BMW supporting future GT based direction but not clear to what extent, with BMW at least not keen to commit any funding to a very outdated GT3 model

Berger also said other manufacturers interested in joining in some way.

Iíd quite enjoy one hour sprint races, single driver, all pro, tire pit stops.

I donít necessarily think the Gt3s need ramping up if they are just a short term solution.

There is currently nowhere on the world you can see a pro only field of GT drivers compete in GTís in a sprint format with DTM quality production.
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Old 29 Sep 2020, 14:05 (Ref:4007386)   #229
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So, the big question is, when does DTM 2021 move to the GT racing forum??
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 04:07 (Ref:4007496)   #230
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Glickenhaus interested in fielding cars in GT3-based DTM

https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/...3avNXXJJPxmbPI

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Glickenhaus interested in fielding cars in GT3-based DTM
Content of the article doesn't really match the headline, although perhaps no surprise.

ďThis is not a series that our factory would enter, however, we would build a car to those specs and we think there are customers that would want to buy it and race in the DTM and it would be a way for the DTM to survive"

In other words, Glickenhaus isn't interested in fielding cars, he is interested in selling cars for other people to field.
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 01:07 (Ref:4010254)   #232
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Audi and BMW hesitant to invest in development for new GT Pro class

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...-gt-pro-class/
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 07:57 (Ref:4010290)   #233
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But at the same time Berger is 'surprised' by the level of interest and hints there will be more manufacturers and a healthy grid both in terms of quality and quantity. He's convinced there will be more than 20 cars on the grid.
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Old 14 Oct 2020, 16:11 (Ref:4010641)   #234
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But at the same time Berger is 'surprised' by the level of interest and hints there will be more manufacturers and a healthy grid both in terms of quality and quantity. He's convinced there will be more than 20 cars on the grid.

It seems to me that while teams are interested to field their GT3 cars that they've already got, Berger is so focused on making something special out of it that the manufacturers won't be interested to invest in the necessary updates to the cars and it'll all fall through in the end.

Just go for basic GT3 cars, no need to fiddle around with them and mess up your own BOP for 2 years until they can get it (sort of) right. And in the meantime, create a new set of rules for touringcars with a focus on privateer teams for 2022 or '23.
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Old 14 Oct 2020, 17:45 (Ref:4010667)   #235
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I agree. Why do they need all the extra add ons? GT3 cars are spectacular enough as it is without them. And they can race fine. Itís already a bit of a risk to go down this route, why potentially make it worst?
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Old 14 Oct 2020, 19:21 (Ref:4010695)   #236
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I agree it might be like that, however, my impression is Berger now knows it's make it or break it so he'll be careful. He insisted on standing stars as they're a typical part of DTM but manufacturers were unwilling to invest in new, special clutches and now it seems Berger has agreed to flying starts instead in order not to increase costs.

A new ruleset for the future is needed, I think in 2023-2025 the latest, DTM should go electric. Even though I dislike it (like the whole EV concept), it's the right way to go. The sooner, the better because DTM then may be one of the first championships (apart from FE of course) to use an electric powertrain and it may attract manufacturers, including those who think FE doesn't really reflect their road car portfolios.
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But at the same time Berger is 'surprised' by the level of interest and hints there will be more manufacturers and a healthy grid both in terms of quality and quantity. He's convinced there will be more than 20 cars on the grid.
But who is going to run all these cars?
WRT is looking ito LMP2, and so is Phoenix (and they might as well add LMP3)
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Old 14 Oct 2020, 23:20 (Ref:4010731)   #238
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Phoenix is already planning DTM involvement. I don't know anything about WRT. But remember that there are more Audi teams having GT3 cars and Audi Sport has allegedly sent emails with "DTM's offer" to all its customer teams. We don't know which ones will be interested and, more importantly, will be able to do that.
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Old 15 Oct 2020, 10:22 (Ref:4010791)   #239
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The manufacturers don't want to spend to upgrade their GT3 cars
The championship wants them to be faster than standard GT3

Just some minor tweaks on the BOP (so you can claim you've done something to the cars) then call up your Japanese mates and get some of those Super GT mega tyres
problem solved surely?
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At what point dies this championship stop being classed as touring cars and belong in the GT section of the forum? I think that passed 3 seasons ago.
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