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Old 30 Sep 2020, 15:13 (Ref:4007597)   #1606
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biased, but i would put Montreal on that list.
And Adelaide.
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 15:13 (Ref:4007598)   #1607
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Oh yeah Montreal, of course. Adelaide too.

There are probably loads more going back, some that aren't immediately considered street tracks. I always forget Montreal because when I think street course I immediately think of buildings crowding the circuit and literally nothing else.

Melbourne... there's another!
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 15:14 (Ref:4007599)   #1608
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If you take Monaco out which is classic cause of history, LB is probably the best street circuit ever

Caesars Palace, Dallas on the other hand....
Detroit.
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 15:22 (Ref:4007601)   #1609
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Oh yeah Montreal, of course. Adelaide too.

There are probably loads more going back, some that aren't immediately considered street tracks. I always forget Montreal because when I think street course I immediately think of buildings crowding the circuit and literally nothing else.

Melbourne... there's another!
Yes Circuit GV! Must never drop off the calendar permanently!

Adelaide better than Melbourne for racing perhaps?

Phoenix was a truly great example of...
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...public apathy?
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 15:29 (Ref:4007611)   #1611
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I was going to say wasted road closures but you've aced that one!!
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 18:53 (Ref:4007667)   #1612
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Dallas was actually quite a challenge, unlike Detroit and Phoenix. Just a shame it lasted one season.

Adelaide did have a nice long straight to slipstream on. It says something that this was the only street circuit Piquet actually liked.
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It says something that this was the only street circuit Piquet actually liked.
I thought Piquet had a particular attraction to the walls at Singapore?

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Old 30 Sep 2020, 19:18 (Ref:4007675)   #1614
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I thought Piquet had a particular attraction to the walls at Singapore?


Wrong Piquet.
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If you take Monaco out which is classic cause of history, LB is probably the best street circuit ever

Caesars Palace, Dallas on the other hand....

I would put Baku ahead of Long Beach,but both are good.
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Wrong Piquet.
Hence the emoji
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Old 30 Sep 2020, 20:02 (Ref:4007691)   #1617
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I would put Baku ahead of Long Beach,but both are good.

also a fan of the Baku layout. lacking in the spectator department but really carries that sense of thrill to it.

the speed and skill level required for it compensates for the lack of overtaking...something that cannot be said for some other street races.

probably not a popular opinion, but Monaco, while a beautiful historic setting, typically produces dull races.
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Old 1 Oct 2020, 09:43 (Ref:4007757)   #1618
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Baku reminds me a bit of Detroit, especially those left right turns you have round the back.

Monaco isnít really about how good the racing, itís a proper driver challenge which is what F1 is about. And we have had tenser races due to overtaking not being a given there
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Monaco isnít really about how good the racing, itís a proper driver challenge which is what F1 is about. And we have had tenser races due to overtaking not being a given there
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Huge problem with F1 has been that through the 90s, 2000s and 2010s it became predatory in its behaviour to the rest of motorsport.

So outrageous is F1's monopoly of eyeballs, that when drivers leave F1 for another series, most outlets say they have 'retired', implying that anything else is just for fun.

As a result, F1 is trying to be a series for manufacturers and independents with single seaters that have to be road relevant to attract the former but not so expensive they deter the former.

The result is a product that suits no one. The V6 Hybrids don't provide enough 'wow' for spectators, nor are they especially road-relevant, as Mercedes are proving excellently with their difficulties it turning theirs into something that be driven in real life.

What I hope for is a new era of collaboration between racing series, especially those at the FIA.

Are you a manufacturer that wants race against your direct competitors in the actual cars you sell? Touring cars or rallying.
Are you a manufacturer that wants to race against your direct competitors in the most expensive cars you sell? GTs.
Are you manufacturer that wants to race something you can't mass produce yet, but might do one day? And do you want people to see your brand as sporty? Prototypes.
Are you a manufacturer that wants everyone to know you make electric cars these days? Formula E
Do you have more money than sense? F1.

Not only does F1 not need major manufacturers, I'd go as far as to say that it's better off without them (with the exception of Ferrari, although despite their size they are still small-volume). F1 should be pure, loud and spectacular escapism, watching totally ridiculous cars driven by completely unhinged human beings.

Nobody trackside watching Jim Clark drift through Woodcote was lamenting he was doing it in a Lotus rather than a Vauxhall. Nobody would have been any more entertained by James Hunt if his F1 car was entered by Datsun. There wouldn't have been any extra edge to the Senna/Prost rivalry if their McLarens were badged as Protons.

Simplify and intensify F1, and encourage the manufacturers to get what they need elsewhere in the sport.
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