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Old 20 Aug 2020, 16:33 (Ref:3996714)   #31
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I always thought the Insignia looked quite long, looked like something you’d see try and break the land speed record
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Old 20 Aug 2020, 16:45 (Ref:3996720)   #32
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Apart from Astra the only option would be to bring Insignia back. Aerodynamics of this car look better than that of Astra, the question is with Insignia being even longer than a Beemer, isn't it simply too long?
I would agree that it's likely to be too big for the tight, twisty uk circuits. The latest insignia is even bigger than the last and dwarfs a 3 series. I think the 3 series and Infinity just about get away with being big because they are RWD which punches them out of tight bends and helps change of direction. An FWD car of that size would likely struggle with change of direction and exiting hairpins. I seem to recall that even when the CC was a front runner, it was better suited to the fast, flowing circuits...
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 10:37 (Ref:3996819)   #33
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Insignia is simply too big. It would be a nightmare at, for example, Knockhill. Long straight bits yes, the aero is good, but I cannot see a car of that length making sense. I don't know where Tony Gilham's future plans have gotten too, but I don't see him replacing the CC's with their current VW equivalent the Arteon. It's another big beast like the Insignia. Perfect for soaking up motorway miles on cruise control in supreme comfort.
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 10:47 (Ref:3996821)   #34
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I'm not saying it is 100% accurate, but some circles are reporting that a VXR-badged Astra will be appearing as soon as 2021:

Carbuyer: 'a plug-in hybrid version of the new Astra will be offered. [...] The Hybrid4 will be badged as a VXR model, Vauxhall’s performance moniker, and it’ll have the acceleration and handling to suit the VXR badge. '

msn: 'But the Astra Hybrid4 VXR, [...] is expected to go on sale shortly after the new Astra’s launch in 2021.'

I guess the chance of 2021 seeing a VXR in the BTCC depends on how much PSA (and the UK dealer network) want to get the VXR brand back in the forefront of the general public? It would mean moving to the new model, which PMR have not indicated as a possibility yet so I expect it is unlikely.

Some might argue that running an Astra VXR in the BTCC does not fit with the showroom model being a 1.6L (rumoured). But that hasn't stopped Motorbase sticking ST on their Focus, when the showroom model is a 2.3L.
The fast Astra - if it gets production go ahead - will, like the fast Corsa, share it's Peugeot brother's parts bin. So the new 308 in this case. Likely a turbocharged 1.6 petrol with a hybrid gubbins.

Unfortunately the linked articles are typical "Auto Express" style mock up a new car that isn't announced and pad out with any legit sounding reference you can find. Or failing that, invent it. I used to write some of this rubbish in a past life.

I also believe the electric MG estate for sale in the UK story to be ********. The market is not anywhere near to being at a volume where the likes of VW, PSA, Ford can sell an electric estate and turn a profit. Mr Chinaman's tiny market share would certainly not return a margin. Guess we'll see - but estate cars simply don't sell to family buyers anymore - they mostly buy SUV tanks. Sales reps tool around in estates, but they need diesel.
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 10:53 (Ref:3996823)   #35
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They need the Astra Saloon, but its not available in the UK, which I find an odd decision as its got a similar shape profile to the UK Civic and the i30 fastback, yet Vauxhall don't deem it as a desirable addition to their car roster?
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 10:59 (Ref:3996825)   #36
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The fast Astra - if it gets production go ahead - will, like the fast Corsa, share it's Peugeot brother's parts bin. So the new 308 in this case. Likely a turbocharged 1.6 petrol with a hybrid gubbins.
I think the closest we have to a verified source comes in the official press release from Vauxhall.

'VAUXHALL CONTINUES TO CHARGE! EIGHT ELECTRIFIED MODELS BY 2021'
In the release, they refer to the following as having electric variants:
Corsa-e, Grandland X Hybrid4.
Vivaro van, Mokka X, Combo, Combo Life, Vivaro Life, an electrified version of the next generation Astra.

So it seems that Vauxhall have confirmed an electric version of the Astra by the end of 2021, but whether this will carry a VXR badge is not mentioned.
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 11:01 (Ref:3996826)   #37
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They need the Astra Saloon, but its not available in the UK, which I find an odd decision as its got a similar shape profile to the UK Civic and the i30 fastback, yet Vauxhall don't deem it as a desirable addition to their car roster?
Outside of the executive market, Saloon sales in the UK are continunig to decline:

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Outside of the executive market, Saloon sales in the UK are continunig to decline:

Its odd though that in Europe, I generally see far more saloons, whenever I have been to Italy or Spain, they seem to get saloon versions of cars we don't get in the UK...?

One thing is certain is that the saloon shape is more efficient at cutting through the air, so if that is the case, then all road going electric cars should be of a saloon shape too, if efficiency and green credentials are important for the public and car makers.
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 12:35 (Ref:3996845)   #39
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Its odd though that in Europe, I generally see far more saloons, whenever I have been to Italy or Spain, they seem to get saloon versions of cars we don't get in the UK...?

One thing is certain is that the saloon shape is more efficient at cutting through the air, so if that is the case, then all road going electric cars should be of a saloon shape too, if efficiency and green credentials are important for the public and car makers.
Because we don't buy (or company car lease) saloons apart from the 3 Series, C Class etc. The sectors below are all hatchback dominated. Europe is a different kettle of fish.
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I also believe the electric MG estate for sale in the UK story to be ********.
The launch is expected any day now - https://mg.co.uk/mg5-ev/
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I think the closest we have to a verified source comes in the official press release from Vauxhall.

'VAUXHALL CONTINUES TO CHARGE! EIGHT ELECTRIFIED MODELS BY 2021'
In the release, they refer to the following as having electric variants:
Corsa-e, Grandland X Hybrid4.
Vivaro van, Mokka X, Combo, Combo Life, Vivaro Life, an electrified version of the next generation Astra.

So it seems that Vauxhall have confirmed an electric version of the Astra by the end of 2021, but whether this will carry a VXR badge is not mentioned.
Electrified does not equal electric. Most likely a 48v mild-hybrid introduced on the current generation. The next gen will probably move to the same platform as the new C4, which is available in electric and ICE variants.
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Old 21 Aug 2020, 16:17 (Ref:3996894)   #42
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Electrified does not equal electric. Most likely a 48v mild-hybrid introduced on the current generation. The next gen will probably move to the same platform as the new C4, which is available in electric and ICE variants.
Yes, agreed. An error in my post.
I should have said 'hybrid Astra expected to be in 2021'.

If Vauxhall are genuinely interested in reviving the VXR, I'd expect this to be a 1.6L/48V hybrid designed to hit a low 0-60, appealing to the Max Power crowd.

Although seeing as how more recent SRi variants have targeted the mid-life crisis crowd longing for the return of a Cavalier SRi, but ending up with a bottom-spec, underpowered barge, it wouldn't surprise me if VXR becomes a trim, like Zetec.
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Electrified does not equal electric. Most likely a 48v mild-hybrid introduced on the current generation.
Their press release suggests it's a next-gen Astra during 2021.
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Slightly OT, but owning a self charging hybrid that I am about to change for a new petrol car in September, I am a bit unconvinced by the technology. I have an SUV style car and I have found that by dragging round a load of batteries and electric motor that then reduces the size of the fuel tank, you are left with a car with no range.

I filled it up recently and despite having done only two relatively short journeys - 80 miles each - it now tells me I have 335 miles of petrol left.

Fortunately I don't do many miles per in it, if I did it would drive me mad having to constantly stop and top up the fuel.

By contrast, we have just bought a new Citroen Berlingo turbo diesel, 8 speed auto - I am getting 64mpg and you can literally fill it up and forget it - I have done two reasonable size trips in it and still have 600 miles of fuel left!
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Slightly OT, but owning a self charging hybrid that I am about to change for a new petrol car in September, I am a bit unconvinced by the technology. I have an SUV style car and I have found that by dragging round a load of batteries and electric motor that then reduces the size of the fuel tank, you are left with a car with no range.

I filled it up recently and despite having done only two relatively short journeys - 80 miles each - it now tells me I have 335 miles of petrol left.

Fortunately I don't do many miles per in it, if I did it would drive me mad having to constantly stop and top up the fuel.

By contrast, we have just bought a new Citroen Berlingo turbo diesel, 8 speed auto - I am getting 64mpg and you can literally fill it up and forget it - I have done two reasonable size trips in it and still have 600 miles of fuel left!
You need to get a car that gives you smiles per mile and don't worry about how often you have to refill it.
My car has a smaller tank than my previous similar car, the extra space taken up by a trick AWD system. The grin just never stops.
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